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New California Declares Independence from Rest of State

11 points by spking 9y ago

FilterSweep 9y ago
If true, this appears to be a calculated move to draw away blue electoral votes from the biggest state in the country. This is a historically large move of Gerrymandering.
- Jesus_Jones 9y ago
  People have wanted to do the same thing in Washington state, cut it off at the Cascades say. To avoid moving the electoral college, you have to split into 3 states for almost always one way states. But the other parts of the state are sucking down revenue from the populated area to build their infrastructure. I almost wish it could happen, because then we would get away from the 60% of the state in Seattle votes for something vs 40% of the rest. We could just build our own damn infrastructure and not have to negotiate with someone with very different world views, who has very different needs and ideas about guns, god etc.
throwawaymanbot 9y ago
Putin backed is he? https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/05/11/russia-cultivates-fringe-groups-asthe-california-secession-movement https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/05/11/rus... And.. https://thediplomat.com/2016/07/us-and-eu-separatist-groups-to-gather-on-moscows-dime/ https://thediplomat.com/2016/07/us-and-eu-separatist-groups-...
oblib 9y ago
Yeah, I've heard of this for years now, but I don't see it ever happening. I lived in CA for 14 years and the only people who'd support this movement with cash to promote it are landowners that have huge swaths of land in "New California" and the few working class folks bamboozled by their propaganda. That's not near enough. Hardly anyone living in any of the metro areas would ever agree to this. It's like asking them to give away their backyard.
- evgen 9y ago
  They can have the land, we will just keep the water...
chrisbrandow 9y ago
Sure would be a boon to the remaining portion of the state economically, though. Probably wouldn’t be that much of a change in # of house GOP representatives from the current 7, though they’re pretty endangered in 2018. It would be 2 new GOP senators and would be a boost to GOP electoral college though.
dragonwriter 9y ago
Article: “The state of New California would incorporate most of the state’s rural counties, leaving the urban coastal counties to the current state of California.” The actual declaration [0] refers to “the Counties of California”, and does not identify a fixed set of member counties. The “New California” website [1] list county committees for all California counties [2]—incliding the urban/coastal ones—though most of them (including many rural inland counties) seem to just have the central org’s vice chair as the contact. [0] https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/720c6a07-3594-44b7-8098-94fc11bae240/downloads/1c3sut5r6_88440.pdf https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/720c6a07-3594-44b7-8098-94f... [1] https://newcaliforniastate.com https://newcaliforniastate.com [2] https://newcaliforniastate.com/county-committees https://newcaliforniastate.com/county-committees

11 points by spking 9y ago

If true, this appears to be a calculated move to draw away blue electoral votes from the biggest state in the country. This is a historically large move of Gerrymandering.

Jesus_Jones 9y ago
People have wanted to do the same thing in Washington state, cut it off at the Cascades say. To avoid moving the electoral college, you have to split into 3 states for almost always one way states. But the other parts of the state are sucking down revenue from the populated area to build their infrastructure. I almost wish it could happen, because then we would get away from the 60% of the state in Seattle votes for something vs 40% of the rest. We could just build our own damn infrastructure and not have to negotiate with someone with very different world views, who has very different needs and ideas about guns, god etc.

throwawaymanbot 9y ago

Putin backed is he? https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/05/11/russia-cultivates-fringe-groups-asthe-california-secession-movement https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/05/11/rus... And.. https://thediplomat.com/2016/07/us-and-eu-separatist-groups-to-gather-on-moscows-dime/ https://thediplomat.com/2016/07/us-and-eu-separatist-groups-...

oblib 9y ago

Yeah, I've heard of this for years now, but I don't see it ever happening. I lived in CA for 14 years and the only people who'd support this movement with cash to promote it are landowners that have huge swaths of land in "New California" and the few working class folks bamboozled by their propaganda. That's not near enough. Hardly anyone living in any of the metro areas would ever agree to this. It's like asking them to give away their backyard.

evgen 9y ago
They can have the land, we will just keep the water...

chrisbrandow 9y ago

Sure would be a boon to the remaining portion of the state economically, though. Probably wouldn’t be that much of a change in # of house GOP representatives from the current 7, though they’re pretty endangered in 2018. It would be 2 new GOP senators and would be a boost to GOP electoral college though.

dragonwriter 9y ago

Article: “The state of New California would incorporate most of the state’s rural counties, leaving the urban coastal counties to the current state of California.” The actual declaration [0] refers to “the Counties of California”, and does not identify a fixed set of member counties. The “New California” website [1] list county committees for all California counties [2]—incliding the urban/coastal ones—though most of them (including many rural inland counties) seem to just have the central org’s vice chair as the contact. [0] https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/720c6a07-3594-44b7-8098-94fc11bae240/downloads/1c3sut5r6_88440.pdf https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/720c6a07-3594-44b7-8098-94f... [1] https://newcaliforniastate.com https://newcaliforniastate.com [2] https://newcaliforniastate.com/county-committees https://newcaliforniastate.com/county-committees