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SO the penalty should be death, then? edit: you dropped that "Sure, they abuse them now". I saw it.

• gnarbarian 9y ago
  if you provide someone every means of helping themselves and they still die I wouldn't feel guilty about it. Take their kids away though.
  • simplemath__ 9y ago
    Is poverty a moral failing?
    • gnarbarian 9y ago
      >Is poverty a moral failing? At what cost? Minimization of poverty is important but I don't believe it can ever be totally eliminated. You and I just have different fundamental beliefs about human nature and motivation. If the OP is right (and I think he is), the more safety nets and welfare programs there are the more poverty. This is because they have a learned helplessness and are subject to fiscal cliffs preventing them from escaping poverty. in other words: Poverty ought to be minimized. Therefore, if giving people free shit increases poverty, we shouldn't do it.