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Did you read the article? Please explain why you think it’s unauthorized access. >> When the call came in, staffers quickly remotely logged off every computer

by prklmn 9y ago

Did you read the article? Please explain why you think it’s unauthorized access. >> When the call came in, staffers quickly remotely logged off every computer in the Montreal office, making it practically impossible for the authorities to retrieve the company records they’d obtained a warrant to collect. The investigators left without any evidence.

33W 9y ago
I think the parent's point is that if there is a warrant to collect information, the machines can be seized and the company compelled to comply. This move prevents overreach in the moment.
- FireBeyond 9y ago
  This doesn't just prevent overreach, it prevents any collection. Also known as "obstruction" (and possibly "destruction").
- rayiner 9y ago
  So you want the police to start physically impounding property, instead of just getting the data it had a warrant to collect? How is that preventing overarch? It seems to be demanding it!
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  - Spivak 9y ago
    (If it were me) Yes! It's annoying as hell to have them haul off my workstations but I would much rather them seize the locked and encrypted data while legal has time to do the due-diligence on the warrant and come up with a plan for compliance. I keep my head above water so I really don't really care if the police can access the data. I do have a problem with the raid giving them access to data well beyond the scope of their warrant and relying on the courts to pare it down after the fact.
Alfredo123 9y ago
Just because Police have some warrant does not mean you have to make their job easy. Uber is doing the right thing.
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tomohawk 9y ago
Determining authorized access is a process. Processes take time. Just because some people in uniforms show up at your door and demand access, doesn't mean that's the entire process. Even if they have a nice piece of paper from a court, it's just the start of the process. What if its just a ruse and they aren't really cops? What if they are cops, but the government is corrupt? What if the warrant was obtained in a faulty manner? This sort of measure allows the company to engage with the process in a less disadvantaged way.
- protomyth 9y ago
  > What if its just a ruse and they aren't really cops? Making a mistake in this regard gets you a obstruction of justice charge. Call a lawyers, but don't expect a judge not to take this badly when they have issued a warrant. > What if they are cops, but the government is corrupt? What if the warrant was obtained in a faulty manner? That's for the lawyers to deal with in court. Once again, obstruction of justice on a legally issued warrant is going to be bad news for you.
  - notyourday 9y ago
    Uber is still operational in those countries and Uber execs dont have international arrest warrants of them. Based on that, it looks like Uber was correct in blocking access.
- booleandilemma 9y ago
  It also conveniently gives Uber more time to cover up whatever illegal activities they may have been up to. This is the whole point of why police conduct raids: ...to use the element of surprise to arrest targets that they believe may hide contraband or other evidence, resist arrest, be politically sensitive, or simply be elsewhere during the day. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_raid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_raid
  - wilburTheDog 9y ago
    Apparently Ripley doesn't wipe data from the computers. It just locks them. If the authorities have the legal right to seize them and compel Uber to give them access then all it bought Uber was some time to pursue legal remedies.
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by prklmn 9y ago

33W 9y ago

I think the parent's point is that if there is a warrant to collect information, the machines can be seized and the company compelled to comply. This move prevents overreach in the moment.

FireBeyond 9y ago
This doesn't just prevent overreach, it prevents any collection. Also known as "obstruction" (and possibly "destruction").
rayiner 9y ago
So you want the police to start physically impounding property, instead of just getting the data it had a warrant to collect? How is that preventing overarch? It seems to be demanding it!
- deleted 9y ago
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- Spivak 9y ago
  (If it were me) Yes! It's annoying as hell to have them haul off my workstations but I would much rather them seize the locked and encrypted data while legal has time to do the due-diligence on the warrant and come up with a plan for compliance. I keep my head above water so I really don't really care if the police can access the data. I do have a problem with the raid giving them access to data well beyond the scope of their warrant and relying on the courts to pare it down after the fact.

Alfredo123 9y ago

Just because Police have some warrant does not mean you have to make their job easy. Uber is doing the right thing.

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tomohawk 9y ago

Determining authorized access is a process. Processes take time. Just because some people in uniforms show up at your door and demand access, doesn't mean that's the entire process. Even if they have a nice piece of paper from a court, it's just the start of the process. What if its just a ruse and they aren't really cops? What if they are cops, but the government is corrupt? What if the warrant was obtained in a faulty manner? This sort of measure allows the company to engage with the process in a less disadvantaged way.

protomyth 9y ago
> What if its just a ruse and they aren't really cops? Making a mistake in this regard gets you a obstruction of justice charge. Call a lawyers, but don't expect a judge not to take this badly when they have issued a warrant. > What if they are cops, but the government is corrupt? What if the warrant was obtained in a faulty manner? That's for the lawyers to deal with in court. Once again, obstruction of justice on a legally issued warrant is going to be bad news for you.
- notyourday 9y ago
  Uber is still operational in those countries and Uber execs dont have international arrest warrants of them. Based on that, it looks like Uber was correct in blocking access.
booleandilemma 9y ago
It also conveniently gives Uber more time to cover up whatever illegal activities they may have been up to. This is the whole point of why police conduct raids: ...to use the element of surprise to arrest targets that they believe may hide contraband or other evidence, resist arrest, be politically sensitive, or simply be elsewhere during the day. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_raid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_raid
- wilburTheDog 9y ago
  Apparently Ripley doesn't wipe data from the computers. It just locks them. If the authorities have the legal right to seize them and compel Uber to give them access then all it bought Uber was some time to pursue legal remedies.

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