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and what do we do when people abuse those systems? let them die?
by simplemath__ 9y ago
and what do we do when people abuse those systems? let them die?
- gnarbarian 9y agoThey abuse them already.
- simplemath__ 9y agoSO the penalty should be death, then? edit: you dropped that "Sure, they abuse them now". I saw it.
- gnarbarian 9y agoif you provide someone every means of helping themselves and they still die I wouldn't feel guilty about it. Take their kids away though.
- simplemath__ 9y agoIs poverty a moral failing?
- gnarbarian 9y ago>Is poverty a moral failing? At what cost? Minimization of poverty is important but I don't believe it can ever be totally eliminated. You and I just have different fundamental beliefs about human nature and motivation. If the OP is right (and I think he is), the more safety nets and welfare programs there are the more poverty. This is because they have a learned helplessness and are subject to fiscal cliffs preventing them from escaping poverty. in other words: Poverty ought to be minimized. Therefore, if giving people free shit increases poverty, we shouldn't do it.
- Aloha 9y agoyou make a system that is impossible to abuse short of creating fictitious people - means testing is what allows the existing system to be abused.
- simplemath__ 9y agoOK, i'll bite. Give me an impossible to abuse welfare system
- Aloha 9y agoGuaranteed Minimum Income. Everyone over the age of 18 gets a check from the government for 1,000 dollars a month. The only qualification to get the money, is being 18 years old, being alive, residing in the united states and being a citizen or permanent resident of the united states. Short of creating fictitious people, with fictitious identity documentation, its virtually impossible to cheat it.
- gnarbarian 9y agoYou could take that 1k per month and buy crack. That's what he's trying to say.
- Aloha 9y agoand so? they could do that with their paycheck too. No system in the world is going to stop people from doing stupid shit - you try the best you can, but at the end of the day, people have to choose to do the right thing.
- newfoundglory 9y agoSo don’t tell anyone that your grandma who lives with you died in her sleep. And definitely don’t mention that your 21 year old brother is off backpacking Asia (how long does he have to be gone for that to even be cheating?)
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