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You make a great point, so I would like to add some facts. * A snapshot of more recent U.S. Census migration numbers shows that nearly three-quarters of those

You make a great point, so I would like to add some facts. * A snapshot of more recent U.S. Census migration numbers shows that nearly three-quarters of those who have left California for other states since 2007 earn less than $50k a year. * San Francisco's African American population has declined from 13.4% of the population in 1970 to 6.1% * 41 percent of San Franciscans spend 30 to 50 percent on rent, despite a lot of rent control for longer-tenure residents and a population average income being $104k as well as median $77k * low skilled entry level jobs are moved elsewhere https://www.google.com.tw/amp/s/www.wired.com/2016/03/those-... https://www.google.com.tw/amp/s/www.wired.com/2016/03/those-.... I understand that this might not be the intended consequence for all people fighting for the current zoning rules, but due to its effects on African Americans and latinos as well as the poor I find the effects immoral. The current situation makes it almost impossible to grow up with lower middle class parents or work in a low-pay low-skilled position, and mingling with the tech crowd to work your way up. Anyone supporting these policies knowing this has the right to do so, but not while at the same time claiming they fight for diversity and the dispossessed.

esturk 9y ago
Hold on there. Dropping that 2nd fact seems to be more race baiting than not. The indication of AA population shrinking could be explained by the increase of the AA population in neighboring counties. According to http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov, the AA population was increasing throughout the 80s - 2000s in all 8 other bay area counties. They could very well left SF to get better opportunities elsewhere.
- asabjorn 9y ago
  You make an interesting point, According to this link https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/scmsAdmin/uploads/005/841/RTT_RPIC.pdf https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/scmsAdmin/uploads/005/841/RTT_RPI...: * Large urban school districts are experiencing the greatest numerical decrease in Black enrollment. These districts include Oakland, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Inglewood, Lynwood, and Compton. * The largest percentage increase in the Black population occurred in smaller, rural communities (Susanville, Tehachapi, Calipatria, and Elk Grove). Before 1980, these communities had a very small number of African Americans. According to the cal budget center http://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/californians-parts-state-pay-can-afford-housing/ http://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/californians-parts-stat... * More than 2 our of 3 Californias with unaffordable housing costs are people of color And there are a few more interesting facts in both links, so you are correct that it is a complex problem. That said I don't think you can access the best opportunities in California from where the largest percentage increase in the black population is, but it might be that they also moved to neighborhood populous counties in which case percentage increase is not interesting.

esturk 9y ago

Hold on there. Dropping that 2nd fact seems to be more race baiting than not. The indication of AA population shrinking could be explained by the increase of the AA population in neighboring counties. According to http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov, the AA population was increasing throughout the 80s - 2000s in all 8 other bay area counties. They could very well left SF to get better opportunities elsewhere.

asabjorn 9y ago
You make an interesting point, According to this link https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/scmsAdmin/uploads/005/841/RTT_RPIC.pdf https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/scmsAdmin/uploads/005/841/RTT_RPI...: * Large urban school districts are experiencing the greatest numerical decrease in Black enrollment. These districts include Oakland, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Inglewood, Lynwood, and Compton. * The largest percentage increase in the Black population occurred in smaller, rural communities (Susanville, Tehachapi, Calipatria, and Elk Grove). Before 1980, these communities had a very small number of African Americans. According to the cal budget center http://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/californians-parts-state-pay-can-afford-housing/ http://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/californians-parts-stat... * More than 2 our of 3 Californias with unaffordable housing costs are people of color And there are a few more interesting facts in both links, so you are correct that it is a complex problem. That said I don't think you can access the best opportunities in California from where the largest percentage increase in the black population is, but it might be that they also moved to neighborhood populous counties in which case percentage increase is not interesting.