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In New Zealand territories all nuclear weapons are banned, which is why the US navy is banned from operating in NZ waters as they don't disclose what ships are

In New Zealand territories all nuclear weapons are banned, which is why the US navy is banned from operating in NZ waters as they don't disclose what ships are nuclear powered or carrying weapons. Also, what's a dairy company going to do with fighters? At least they could sell cars and sell / give tractors to their farmers.

twic 9y ago
> Also, what's a dairy company going to do with fighters? Instead of a merger with Kiwi Dairy, they could have had a (very) hostile takeover.
maxxxxx 9y ago
"Also, what's a dairy company going to do with fighters?" I was facetious but maybe they sell joyrides to tourists. Definitely more fun than Lada cars. I wonder what model they got.
- microcolonel 9y ago
  Well, I don't know about the Dairy Board, but any sufficiently large merchant could probably find a legitimate use for a MiG-15, especially since at that point they were basically all adapted for air-to-ground attack. That'd really keep the pirates off your milk.
pjleonhardt 9y ago
> all nuclear weapons are banned > US navy is banned from operating in NZ waters as they don't disclose what ships are nuclear powered or carrying weapons One does not lead to the other. All of the US submarines and air craft carriers are nuclear powered (and no other ships). None of the aircraft carriers have nuclear weapons, and only the SSBN submarines can carry nuclear weapons on board. If your second statement is true (I don't know), then it is likely that NZ also is banning any nuclear powered ships; not just those with nuclear weapons.
- disordinary 9y ago
  Yes, the ban is on propulsion as well as weaponry.
  - pjleonhardt 9y ago
    Interesting that since the official stance of the US government is they won't disclose capabilities that this puts a wholesale ban on US Navy ships. I did not know about that. Although, it does seems to be 'thawing' [0]. [0] http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-18/new-zealand-to-end-stalemate-on-us-warships/7943252 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-18/new-zealand-to-end-sta...
- toomanybeersies 9y ago
  It is a ban on nuclear propulsion as well as weapons, so nuclear powered submarines and carriers are banned. There was a bit of controversy a few years ago as well, when the NZ government was considering utilising a Russian nuclear powered icebreaker in Antarctica. No US Navy ship entered New Zealand waters for 33 years from 1984, the US Coast Guard did, however. The ban on US Navy vessels stemmed from the fact that technically, any US Navy ship could carry nuclear weapons, and the USA would neither confirm nor deny if a particular ship had nuclear weapons. It was a bit of a hangover from the Cold War. The USA wasn't very happy at all in 1984 when NZ declared itself nuclear free. Not all US Navy ships are banned in NZ waters now, a US Navy destroyer (USS Sampson) visited in 2016 for the Royal New Zealand Navy's 75th birthday, and ended up helping in disaster recovery when the magnitude 7.8 Kaikoura earthquake happened at the same time, alongside the Canadian Navy, the Royal Australian Navy, and the Japanese Navy. To reciprocate the favour, the frigate HMNZS Te Kaha joined the Nimitz carrier group to replace the USS Fitzgerald after it collided with a container ship. Military relations with the USA have improved markedly in the past decade. Due to the whole nuclear free thing, the NZ Navy wasn't allowed to dock in the military area in Pearl Harbour for years, they had to dock with all the civilian ships, but now they're allowed to dock in the military area. They've also participated in RIMPAC since 2012.
  - tacticus 9y ago

twic 9y ago

> Also, what's a dairy company going to do with fighters? Instead of a merger with Kiwi Dairy, they could have had a (very) hostile takeover.

maxxxxx 9y ago

"Also, what's a dairy company going to do with fighters?" I was facetious but maybe they sell joyrides to tourists. Definitely more fun than Lada cars. I wonder what model they got.

microcolonel 9y ago
Well, I don't know about the Dairy Board, but any sufficiently large merchant could probably find a legitimate use for a MiG-15, especially since at that point they were basically all adapted for air-to-ground attack. That'd really keep the pirates off your milk.

pjleonhardt 9y ago

> all nuclear weapons are banned > US navy is banned from operating in NZ waters as they don't disclose what ships are nuclear powered or carrying weapons One does not lead to the other. All of the US submarines and air craft carriers are nuclear powered (and no other ships). None of the aircraft carriers have nuclear weapons, and only the SSBN submarines can carry nuclear weapons on board. If your second statement is true (I don't know), then it is likely that NZ also is banning any nuclear powered ships; not just those with nuclear weapons.

disordinary 9y ago
Yes, the ban is on propulsion as well as weaponry.
- pjleonhardt 9y ago
  Interesting that since the official stance of the US government is they won't disclose capabilities that this puts a wholesale ban on US Navy ships. I did not know about that. Although, it does seems to be 'thawing' [0]. [0] http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-18/new-zealand-to-end-stalemate-on-us-warships/7943252 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-18/new-zealand-to-end-sta...
toomanybeersies 9y ago
It is a ban on nuclear propulsion as well as weapons, so nuclear powered submarines and carriers are banned. There was a bit of controversy a few years ago as well, when the NZ government was considering utilising a Russian nuclear powered icebreaker in Antarctica. No US Navy ship entered New Zealand waters for 33 years from 1984, the US Coast Guard did, however. The ban on US Navy vessels stemmed from the fact that technically, any US Navy ship could carry nuclear weapons, and the USA would neither confirm nor deny if a particular ship had nuclear weapons. It was a bit of a hangover from the Cold War. The USA wasn't very happy at all in 1984 when NZ declared itself nuclear free. Not all US Navy ships are banned in NZ waters now, a US Navy destroyer (USS Sampson) visited in 2016 for the Royal New Zealand Navy's 75th birthday, and ended up helping in disaster recovery when the magnitude 7.8 Kaikoura earthquake happened at the same time, alongside the Canadian Navy, the Royal Australian Navy, and the Japanese Navy. To reciprocate the favour, the frigate HMNZS Te Kaha joined the Nimitz carrier group to replace the USS Fitzgerald after it collided with a container ship. Military relations with the USA have improved markedly in the past decade. Due to the whole nuclear free thing, the NZ Navy wasn't allowed to dock in the military area in Pearl Harbour for years, they had to dock with all the civilian ships, but now they're allowed to dock in the military area. They've also participated in RIMPAC since 2012.
- tacticus 9y ago