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So they will see that the phone was on continuously for two years, then the night of the murder it was switched of for 6 hours and has been on ever since. Not a

by tjoff 9y ago

So they will see that the phone was on continuously for two years, then the night of the murder it was switched of for 6 hours and has been on ever since. Not at all suspicious... (this is data your service provider already has, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is already used to flag weird behaviour)

QAPereo 9y ago
Even better, I find that not murdering people is a much easier solution to this problem.
- Fnoord 9y ago
  Murder is -obviously- a hyperbole (though I'm sure a certain H. Reiser would agree). You can make a case for anything voluntarily involving destroying your privacy. Compare to GDR. You were always watched, period. The same's true now, but its partly voluntarily. Is it desirable? You should decide on that on a case-by-case scenario. Schneier wrote several essays on this matter (here's one [1] and a more recent one [2]) and his latest book, Data and Goliath also covers this subject. Interestingly the more we centralise on our smartphones, the more difficult voluntarily leaving it home becomes. We already put all kind of NFC cards like our bank and public transport on our phones these days. What's next, unlocking the car via NFC? [1] https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2006/05/the_eternal_value_of.html https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2006/05/the_eternal... [2] https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2016/03/data_is_a_toxic_asse.html https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2016/03/data_is_a_t...
  - QAPereo 9y ago
    I’m not arguing against privacy, or for this kind of abusive tech used in the system. I’m just saying that this particular story doesn’t make for a great exemplar, anymore than the guy who was nailed because of his smart water meter. There are plenty of examples of surveillance abuse and slapdash prosecution without having to rely on this.
  - baud147258 9y ago
    My brother is building appartement buildings. In some they are using NFC card as access key for the appartements. So you might one day enter your home with your phone (without adding IoT or something, out of the box).
- deleted 9y ago
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mattmanser 9y ago
Dropped it in the toilet?
- digi_owl 9y ago
  Could have sworn that phone radios have a unique identifier independent of the customer id (stored in a sim or the phone depending on the network tech).
  - jsjohnst 9y ago
    > Could have sworn that phone radios have a unique identifier independent of the customer id Of course they do, multiple ids in fact (IMEI/ICCID/MEID). Not sure how that’s relevant in this thread though.
baud147258 9y ago
Or establish a pattern of leaving your phone (on) at home a few times per week, so when you're doing your murder without your phone, it does not look out of place. You'll just have to provide an alibi on what you were doing and why you didn't take your phone.
- SiempreViernes 9y ago
  Or just solve your problem by non murderous means, since you have the leisure to plan for it several months in advance?
  - baud147258 9y ago
    So hire a killer with bitcoins you mined & mixed months earlier? /jk

by tjoff 9y ago

QAPereo 9y ago

Even better, I find that not murdering people is a much easier solution to this problem.

Fnoord 9y ago
Murder is -obviously- a hyperbole (though I'm sure a certain H. Reiser would agree). You can make a case for anything voluntarily involving destroying your privacy. Compare to GDR. You were always watched, period. The same's true now, but its partly voluntarily. Is it desirable? You should decide on that on a case-by-case scenario. Schneier wrote several essays on this matter (here's one [1] and a more recent one [2]) and his latest book, Data and Goliath also covers this subject. Interestingly the more we centralise on our smartphones, the more difficult voluntarily leaving it home becomes. We already put all kind of NFC cards like our bank and public transport on our phones these days. What's next, unlocking the car via NFC? [1] https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2006/05/the_eternal_value_of.html https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2006/05/the_eternal... [2] https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2016/03/data_is_a_toxic_asse.html https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2016/03/data_is_a_t...
- QAPereo 9y ago
  I’m not arguing against privacy, or for this kind of abusive tech used in the system. I’m just saying that this particular story doesn’t make for a great exemplar, anymore than the guy who was nailed because of his smart water meter. There are plenty of examples of surveillance abuse and slapdash prosecution without having to rely on this.
- baud147258 9y ago
  My brother is building appartement buildings. In some they are using NFC card as access key for the appartements. So you might one day enter your home with your phone (without adding IoT or something, out of the box).
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mattmanser 9y ago

Dropped it in the toilet?

digi_owl 9y ago
Could have sworn that phone radios have a unique identifier independent of the customer id (stored in a sim or the phone depending on the network tech).
- jsjohnst 9y ago
  > Could have sworn that phone radios have a unique identifier independent of the customer id Of course they do, multiple ids in fact (IMEI/ICCID/MEID). Not sure how that’s relevant in this thread though.

baud147258 9y ago

Or establish a pattern of leaving your phone (on) at home a few times per week, so when you're doing your murder without your phone, it does not look out of place. You'll just have to provide an alibi on what you were doing and why you didn't take your phone.

SiempreViernes 9y ago
Or just solve your problem by non murderous means, since you have the leisure to plan for it several months in advance?
- baud147258 9y ago
  So hire a killer with bitcoins you mined & mixed months earlier? /jk