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> Why does the social network have to be publicly owned for law enforcement to be "publicly owned"? I have to admit I moved the goalposts a bit. My thinking no
by tpm 9y ago
> Why does the social network have to be publicly owned for law enforcement to be "publicly owned"?
I have to admit I moved the goalposts a bit. My thinking now goes like this: Many posts on facebook are not of strictly criminal nature, but are bad enough that they should not be public. And in the public sphere, there are many things that do not usually happen, that are frowned upon but not exactly criminal. Like defecating in public squares. Everyone can do that, but the absolute majority doesn't. And the reason we don't is peer pressure, public coercion, shame etc., not the threat of fines or proescution.
Now Facebook is a bit like a rundown shopping mall with gaming parlors, it stinks a lot, but lots of people use it and many use it specifically for the smell, so Zuckerberg has no motive to clean it up (unless a law forces him, like now, but then we get this discussion). What if facebook was instead a public square ran by citizens themselves. There would have to be some executive structure of course, but it would answer to the users and not to shareholders and advertisers, and that would change the whole dynamic of this situation, including moral/ethical norms of behavior.
And my experience from helping to run a small but general social network site (few thousand users at peak, no ads, 14 years running now) is that eventually this would work out better, because 'concerned citizens' gain the upper hand over trolls and hatemongers and most of the rest just accepts the prevalent norms and behave like decent people, without the thing getting too restrictive. Of course I know this won't happen with facebook and at that scale it's a completely different game but still, it would be nice.
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y agoAh, yeah, I agree that the business model of Facebook and the like is crap as far as societal needs are concerned, and it's kindof a shame that I am arguing on their side here ... but then again, they are probably not so fond of the idea of paying more taxes ;-) So, no, I absolutely would not encourage anyone to use Facebook, very much the opposite, but at the same time I think that constitutional protections of freedom of speech still do apply to people who choose to use Facebook when they are using Facebook, and this law seems to me to be in conflict with that freedom.