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I must admit I only read the headline, but I'm sure the organizations are making due with the thin, tight-margins off black market cocaine, heroine, and methamp

by Donzo 9y ago

I must admit I only read the headline, but I'm sure the organizations are making due with the thin, tight-margins off black market cocaine, heroine, and methamphetamine sales.

brownbat 9y ago
There's a Wiley paywall past the abstract. Would be curious how they separate out the impact on Mexican cartels from cheap fentanyl from Asia. US opiate overdoses were already high, and they went up 21% last year, largely driven by synthetics. They're not joking about it being an epidemic. More on the economics of fentanyl vs heroin: https://news.vice.com/article/americas-new-deadliest-drug-fentanyl https://news.vice.com/article/americas-new-deadliest-drug-fe...
simonh 9y ago
I'm really sorry for being pedantic, I'm uusally not like this, but I have seen this frequently on HN. It's making do, not making due.
- Donzo 9y ago
  In all seriousness, I greatly appreciate corrections like this in a way that so few people do.
  - jedberg 9y ago
    Technically your "that" is superfluous. ;) > In all seriousness, I greatly appreciate corrections like this in a way so few people do.
    - Donzo 9y ago
      I upvoted you.
- falsprofet 9y ago
  I wouldn't be so sure. "To make due" seems correct to me, as a foreign speaker, because the grammar suggests a noun phrase as object, because it works en lieu "to settle debt". It's easy to see how french-illiterate anglophones would mishear due as do. So I guess you make do now. And I have to ask how are you making do today?
  - jazoom 9y ago
    As a speaker of English where "do" and "due" are not pronounced the same I assure you it's "do".
    - falsprofet 9y ago
      Stress being on where - and not only but also on when. Due is from times when French was hip and foxy at the court royal. I'm sure you can tell many first hand tales about that. Wherever in the many different English speaking parts of the world you are. edit: more to the point, "dues" is pronounced "doos" in one dialect or another, I assure you. This is because it has nothing to do with "mountain dew".
    - globuous 9y ago
      Don't mind me but... I double checked :D and you're right !! :) - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/make_do https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/make_do - http://grammarist.com/usage/make-do-make-due/ http://grammarist.com/usage/make-do-make-due/ According to the second link, here's where it comes from: 'Make do is short for make [something] do well enough, where do carries the rare sense to serve a specified purpose. So this do is similar to the one used in sentences such as, “I could use a cup of coffee, but tea will do.”' interesting ! edit: formatting
      - falsprofet 9y ago
        You double checked second hand sources which don't link to primary sources, so at best you are speculating (that) I were wrong, thank you very much. Edit: And either way, I didn't contest make do as it is used now, I merely hinted at a different origin. So, by that line of reasoning, if make due is in use, it is correct simply by merit of custom, as well. PS: And this is why these comments are frowned upon, they invariably lead to discussion without a slight chance of consensus. PPS: But since I tried it already, googles index of old books shows a CLEAR preference for make due. In my opinion though, I'd settle on neither is correct, just like shortenings like "I'd" aren't correct to use in writing. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=make+do%2C+make+due&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cmake%20do%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cmake%20due%3B%2Cc0 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=make+do%2C+mak...
kurthr 9y ago
Well, the article is barely more than a headline and a bunch of mediocre comments itself, although it links to a paper behind a paywall. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ecoj.12521/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ecoj.12521/full I would guess though that meth (a la Breaking Bad) is too easy to make inside the US for import competition, while heroin has been hit by the dual availability of Pharma delivered Oxy and China delivered Fentanyl/Carfentanil... the combination makes for a bad time in the cartel industry. Of course that makes them more desperate to import other things for pay.
- IgorPartola 9y ago
  Meth is actually really interesting. It's a very democratic drug in that it's really easy for the user to make it themselves. Pot is another one that theoretically lets you grow it yourself, but it's significantly harder and requires a larger investment. From what I gather, as long as you manage to not blow yourself up, the shake and bake method requires very little supplies and tools to make meth. Edit: to be clear, I am not advocating that anyone use meth. It's a horrible drug that will fuck your life. I do however find its particular properties interesting in the abstract.
  - WalterSear 9y ago
    > Pot is another one that theoretically lets you grow it yourself, but it's significantly harder and requires a larger investment. A bunch of seeds and a pot of compost? Speaking from experience, fwiw.
    - mschuster91 9y ago
      > A bunch of seeds and a pot of compost? ...and a location with proper sun. Outdoor-sun-grown weed... that brings back memories.
    - IgorPartola 9y ago
      Not speaking from experience but I thought it requires heating lamps, knowledge of make vs female plants, different types, etc. I suppose in the states where it’s been decriminalized, you can grow it outdoors and not worry about some of that stuff, but that certainly seems like more work than tossing some Sudafed and whatever else in an empty can and shaking it a bunch. Again, not advocating anyone try meth. Do not try meth.

by Donzo 9y ago

I must admit I only read the headline, but I'm sure the organizations are making due with the thin, tight-margins off black market cocaine, heroine, and methamphetamine sales.

brownbat 9y ago

There's a Wiley paywall past the abstract. Would be curious how they separate out the impact on Mexican cartels from cheap fentanyl from Asia. US opiate overdoses were already high, and they went up 21% last year, largely driven by synthetics. They're not joking about it being an epidemic. More on the economics of fentanyl vs heroin: https://news.vice.com/article/americas-new-deadliest-drug-fentanyl https://news.vice.com/article/americas-new-deadliest-drug-fe...

simonh 9y ago

I'm really sorry for being pedantic, I'm uusally not like this, but I have seen this frequently on HN. It's making do, not making due.

Donzo 9y ago
In all seriousness, I greatly appreciate corrections like this in a way that so few people do.
- jedberg 9y ago
  Technically your "that" is superfluous. ;) > In all seriousness, I greatly appreciate corrections like this in a way so few people do.
  - Donzo 9y ago
    I upvoted you.
falsprofet 9y ago
I wouldn't be so sure. "To make due" seems correct to me, as a foreign speaker, because the grammar suggests a noun phrase as object, because it works en lieu "to settle debt". It's easy to see how french-illiterate anglophones would mishear due as do. So I guess you make do now. And I have to ask how are you making do today?
- jazoom 9y ago
  As a speaker of English where "do" and "due" are not pronounced the same I assure you it's "do".
  - falsprofet 9y ago
    Stress being on where - and not only but also on when. Due is from times when French was hip and foxy at the court royal. I'm sure you can tell many first hand tales about that. Wherever in the many different English speaking parts of the world you are. edit: more to the point, "dues" is pronounced "doos" in one dialect or another, I assure you. This is because it has nothing to do with "mountain dew".
  - globuous 9y ago
    Don't mind me but... I double checked :D and you're right !! :) - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/make_do https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/make_do - http://grammarist.com/usage/make-do-make-due/ http://grammarist.com/usage/make-do-make-due/ According to the second link, here's where it comes from: 'Make do is short for make [something] do well enough, where do carries the rare sense to serve a specified purpose. So this do is similar to the one used in sentences such as, “I could use a cup of coffee, but tea will do.”' interesting ! edit: formatting
    - falsprofet 9y ago
      You double checked second hand sources which don't link to primary sources, so at best you are speculating (that) I were wrong, thank you very much. Edit: And either way, I didn't contest make do as it is used now, I merely hinted at a different origin. So, by that line of reasoning, if make due is in use, it is correct simply by merit of custom, as well. PS: And this is why these comments are frowned upon, they invariably lead to discussion without a slight chance of consensus. PPS: But since I tried it already, googles index of old books shows a CLEAR preference for make due. In my opinion though, I'd settle on neither is correct, just like shortenings like "I'd" aren't correct to use in writing. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=make+do%2C+make+due&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cmake%20do%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cmake%20due%3B%2Cc0 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=make+do%2C+mak...

kurthr 9y ago

Well, the article is barely more than a headline and a bunch of mediocre comments itself, although it links to a paper behind a paywall. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ecoj.12521/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ecoj.12521/full I would guess though that meth (a la Breaking Bad) is too easy to make inside the US for import competition, while heroin has been hit by the dual availability of Pharma delivered Oxy and China delivered Fentanyl/Carfentanil... the combination makes for a bad time in the cartel industry. Of course that makes them more desperate to import other things for pay.

IgorPartola 9y ago
Meth is actually really interesting. It's a very democratic drug in that it's really easy for the user to make it themselves. Pot is another one that theoretically lets you grow it yourself, but it's significantly harder and requires a larger investment. From what I gather, as long as you manage to not blow yourself up, the shake and bake method requires very little supplies and tools to make meth. Edit: to be clear, I am not advocating that anyone use meth. It's a horrible drug that will fuck your life. I do however find its particular properties interesting in the abstract.
- WalterSear 9y ago
  > Pot is another one that theoretically lets you grow it yourself, but it's significantly harder and requires a larger investment. A bunch of seeds and a pot of compost? Speaking from experience, fwiw.
  - mschuster91 9y ago
    > A bunch of seeds and a pot of compost? ...and a location with proper sun. Outdoor-sun-grown weed... that brings back memories.
  - IgorPartola 9y ago
    Not speaking from experience but I thought it requires heating lamps, knowledge of make vs female plants, different types, etc. I suppose in the states where it’s been decriminalized, you can grow it outdoors and not worry about some of that stuff, but that certainly seems like more work than tossing some Sudafed and whatever else in an empty can and shaking it a bunch. Again, not advocating anyone try meth. Do not try meth.