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I'm glad the poster, posted their article instead of this knee jerk reaction. My manager is a good person. This team deserves good workers. This company dese

I'm glad the poster, posted their article instead of this knee jerk reaction. My manager is a good person. This team deserves good workers. This company deserves more support than knee-jerk reactions such as "If your manager is more inexperienced than you, QUIT!" This is why our grandparents think we have no company loyalty.

y4mi 9y ago
"company loyalty" ... in programming? are you serious? I hope for your sake that you aren't. If you are, you probably are already getting screwed and just don't know it yet. And it'll probably end with another disillusionment because the company sure as hell won't be loyal to you once the CEO can increase his exit-bonus by firing you.
- tomerv 9y ago
  Not all programming jobs are the same, and not all software companies have the same culture. There are a lot of jobs outside the startup bubble, and outside the US. Europe has a much better workplace culture in general , and there is some loyalty between the worker and the workplace.
  - VonGallifrey 9y ago
    I would say that Company Loyalty is a dangerous thing. The Company isn't going to be Loyal to you. I happen to like my workplace, but I know that if the company is ever in trouble again they will fire me without hesitation. I survived 2 firing rounds already. I will not survive a 3rd one. I didn't quit till now because I was loyal, but I stayed because I was lucky. Some have decided to quit just before the firing rounds, because we all could see it coming. That is "disloyal", but they are now employed again. That may have been the better decision for them. All of this was in a European Company.
- megamindbrian2 9y ago
  Thank you for touching on my deepest fears.
pjc50 9y ago
The company deserves as much loyalty as it will show you. Which in many places is none at all; the world is full of people who demonstrated loyalty to their company and got terminated at zero notice for "downsizing" or bankruptcy. I believe it can worth being loyal to co-workers and your immediate boss if they deserve it, since they're actual human beings and can be loyal to you, but a company is not a human.
conradfr 9y ago
Good read about loyalty: https://gist.github.com/phaedryx/6268820 https://gist.github.com/phaedryx/6268820

y4mi 9y ago

"company loyalty" ... in programming? are you serious? I hope for your sake that you aren't. If you are, you probably are already getting screwed and just don't know it yet. And it'll probably end with another disillusionment because the company sure as hell won't be loyal to you once the CEO can increase his exit-bonus by firing you.

tomerv 9y ago
Not all programming jobs are the same, and not all software companies have the same culture. There are a lot of jobs outside the startup bubble, and outside the US. Europe has a much better workplace culture in general , and there is some loyalty between the worker and the workplace.
- VonGallifrey 9y ago
  I would say that Company Loyalty is a dangerous thing. The Company isn't going to be Loyal to you. I happen to like my workplace, but I know that if the company is ever in trouble again they will fire me without hesitation. I survived 2 firing rounds already. I will not survive a 3rd one. I didn't quit till now because I was loyal, but I stayed because I was lucky. Some have decided to quit just before the firing rounds, because we all could see it coming. That is "disloyal", but they are now employed again. That may have been the better decision for them. All of this was in a European Company.
megamindbrian2 9y ago
Thank you for touching on my deepest fears.

pjc50 9y ago

The company deserves as much loyalty as it will show you. Which in many places is none at all; the world is full of people who demonstrated loyalty to their company and got terminated at zero notice for "downsizing" or bankruptcy. I believe it can worth being loyal to co-workers and your immediate boss if they deserve it, since they're actual human beings and can be loyal to you, but a company is not a human.

conradfr 9y ago

Good read about loyalty: https://gist.github.com/phaedryx/6268820 https://gist.github.com/phaedryx/6268820