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Every time this argument comes up, the first reaction is to talk about fields where lives are on the line: Would you trust a doctor without a degree? Etc. Thes

Every time this argument comes up, the first reaction is to talk about fields where lives are on the line: Would you trust a doctor without a degree? Etc. These situations are comparatively rare. If you have to reach for them, it may as well be conceding the point: A dropout's work is just as good, yes, in all but a few corner cases. In fact, they usually dropped out because some business was willing to pay them for their work now, rather than wait till they graduated.

computerex 9y ago
> These situations are comparatively rare. If you have to reach for them, it may as well be conceding the point: A dropout's work is just as good, yes, in all but a few corner cases. I think you unilaterally decided that these situations are rare. I wholeheartedly disagree with that sentiment. This is why we are having this debate. > A dropout's work is just as good, yes, in all but a few corner cases. You'd have to be seriously screwed up in the head to actually believe that as a fact. What possible line of reasoning can you be using to say that someone who is formally trained and educated in a discipline is worst or equal to someone who is not? Are you saying that formal education is a total waste of time? Yes there are exceptions and there have been prodigious people who were ahead of their time but that is why we have a word to describe these extremely rare occurrences. > In fact, they usually dropped out because some business was willing to pay them for their work now, rather than wait till they graduated. Do you have a source for this information?
- sillysaurus3 9y ago
  You'd have to be seriously screwed up in the head to actually believe that as a fact. You're not allowed to get personal here. Once you cool off, maybe we can resume this.
  - computerex 9y ago
    Oh I am sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you'd personally have to be screwed up in the head. It was a general statement, was not targeted towards you specifically. But I don't think there is anything to resume. So far you haven't said anything of substance and I doubt you'd magically start producing anything worth reading.
- olavk 9y ago
  > What possible line of reasoning can you be using to say that someone who is formally trained and educated in a discipline is worst or equal to someone who is not? Are you saying that formal education is a total waste of time? I my experience from software development, self-thought developers tend to be more competent because they have learnt design principles through actual experience, and therefore have a deeper understanding of the rationale. School educated developers more often have learned design principles as dogma, and don't understand the context and limitations of the principles.

computerex 9y ago

> These situations are comparatively rare. If you have to reach for them, it may as well be conceding the point: A dropout's work is just as good, yes, in all but a few corner cases. I think you unilaterally decided that these situations are rare. I wholeheartedly disagree with that sentiment. This is why we are having this debate. > A dropout's work is just as good, yes, in all but a few corner cases. You'd have to be seriously screwed up in the head to actually believe that as a fact. What possible line of reasoning can you be using to say that someone who is formally trained and educated in a discipline is worst or equal to someone who is not? Are you saying that formal education is a total waste of time? Yes there are exceptions and there have been prodigious people who were ahead of their time but that is why we have a word to describe these extremely rare occurrences. > In fact, they usually dropped out because some business was willing to pay them for their work now, rather than wait till they graduated. Do you have a source for this information?

sillysaurus3 9y ago
You'd have to be seriously screwed up in the head to actually believe that as a fact. You're not allowed to get personal here. Once you cool off, maybe we can resume this.
- computerex 9y ago
  Oh I am sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you'd personally have to be screwed up in the head. It was a general statement, was not targeted towards you specifically. But I don't think there is anything to resume. So far you haven't said anything of substance and I doubt you'd magically start producing anything worth reading.
olavk 9y ago
> What possible line of reasoning can you be using to say that someone who is formally trained and educated in a discipline is worst or equal to someone who is not? Are you saying that formal education is a total waste of time? I my experience from software development, self-thought developers tend to be more competent because they have learnt design principles through actual experience, and therefore have a deeper understanding of the rationale. School educated developers more often have learned design principles as dogma, and don't understand the context and limitations of the principles.