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The last article is a bit depressing. But also a good read for millenials and such who have a hard time understanding why some of us older guys really dislike

by wowtip 9y ago

The last article is a bit depressing. But also a good read for millenials and such who have a hard time understanding why some of us older guys really dislike Microsoft. http://birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/ http://birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/

allenbrunson 9y ago
Indeed! I was working at Be Inc at the point when they were absorbed by Palm and went out of business. Along about 1998, I decided I'd had enough of Microsoft's antics, and started looking for an alternative OS ecosystem I could participate in. I tried a lot of things, and wound up on BeOS. I'd probably still be there, if Microsoft hadn't killed it.
executesorder66 9y ago
> have a hard time understanding why some of us older guys really dislike Microsoft There's lots of recent reasons to really hate Microsoft now. - Forcing Windows 10 on users. - Forcing telemetry on people and making it almost impossible to disable. - Saying they <3 Linux, but refusing to port their actual good products (MSO, or Visual Studio) to Linux. So that they can keep their vendor lock-in. - Not adhering to their own standards, to make it difficult for Office documents to inter-operate with other office suites. - Windows 10 switched to a rolling release model, which is nice. But the updates are forced, so that fucks you over as a user, because you can never be sure if your system is stable. edit:formatting
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
  > Windows 10 switched to a rolling release model, which is nice. I disagree. Not only are constant changes destabilizing to the user, they're destabilizing to developers too. I really don't get why so many people (Linux Desktop users especially, so maybe they're all webdevs?) love them so much. Once I have a system set up for my workflow, I don't want it to go and screw it up by changing things unnecessarily.
  - jjrh 9y ago
    > I really don't get why so many people (Linux Desktop users especially, so maybe they're all webdevs?) love them so much. I don't either but my guess is they are running it on their personal machine which makes the risk of something breaking less of a concern. At home i'll run the latest and greatest but at work I stick to LTS releases and just compile from source the few packages I want/need with newer features.
  - executesorder66 9y ago
    Those are the problems with rolling release on Windows, because they are forced. On Linux you can choose to never update ever, if that's what you think is best. You are fully in control. As for why I like rolling release: - It's much nicer never having to update your "whole" OS. It takes a long time, and you need to do backups in case the upgrade fucks things up. - I like having up-to-date software - Your workflow doesn't change like you say it does. I've been using rolling release OS's for the last 3 years, and my workflow hasn't changed since I started. If there's an update to a package with breaking changes, and you don't want to deal with it, then just don't upgrade that package.
- whywhywhywhy 9y ago
  > But the updates are forced, so that fucks you over as a user Linux is the only modern OS that doesn't do this, all OS updates are forced it's just some are forced more gently than others. I have to postpone the the OS X update dialog daily and the iOS one about once a week. This has to be done carefully because if I press the wrong option it'll update itself in the middle of the night.

by wowtip 9y ago

allenbrunson 9y ago

Indeed! I was working at Be Inc at the point when they were absorbed by Palm and went out of business. Along about 1998, I decided I'd had enough of Microsoft's antics, and started looking for an alternative OS ecosystem I could participate in. I tried a lot of things, and wound up on BeOS. I'd probably still be there, if Microsoft hadn't killed it.

executesorder66 9y ago

> have a hard time understanding why some of us older guys really dislike Microsoft There's lots of recent reasons to really hate Microsoft now. - Forcing Windows 10 on users. - Forcing telemetry on people and making it almost impossible to disable. - Saying they <3 Linux, but refusing to port their actual good products (MSO, or Visual Studio) to Linux. So that they can keep their vendor lock-in. - Not adhering to their own standards, to make it difficult for Office documents to inter-operate with other office suites. - Windows 10 switched to a rolling release model, which is nice. But the updates are forced, so that fucks you over as a user, because you can never be sure if your system is stable. edit:formatting

AnIdiotOnTheNet 9y ago
> Windows 10 switched to a rolling release model, which is nice. I disagree. Not only are constant changes destabilizing to the user, they're destabilizing to developers too. I really don't get why so many people (Linux Desktop users especially, so maybe they're all webdevs?) love them so much. Once I have a system set up for my workflow, I don't want it to go and screw it up by changing things unnecessarily.
- jjrh 9y ago
  > I really don't get why so many people (Linux Desktop users especially, so maybe they're all webdevs?) love them so much. I don't either but my guess is they are running it on their personal machine which makes the risk of something breaking less of a concern. At home i'll run the latest and greatest but at work I stick to LTS releases and just compile from source the few packages I want/need with newer features.
- executesorder66 9y ago
  Those are the problems with rolling release on Windows, because they are forced. On Linux you can choose to never update ever, if that's what you think is best. You are fully in control. As for why I like rolling release: - It's much nicer never having to update your "whole" OS. It takes a long time, and you need to do backups in case the upgrade fucks things up. - I like having up-to-date software - Your workflow doesn't change like you say it does. I've been using rolling release OS's for the last 3 years, and my workflow hasn't changed since I started. If there's an update to a package with breaking changes, and you don't want to deal with it, then just don't upgrade that package.
whywhywhywhy 9y ago
> But the updates are forced, so that fucks you over as a user Linux is the only modern OS that doesn't do this, all OS updates are forced it's just some are forced more gently than others. I have to postpone the the OS X update dialog daily and the iOS one about once a week. This has to be done carefully because if I press the wrong option it'll update itself in the middle of the night.