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Our industry also has quite a lot of self-taught professionals, who can perform as well as their college educated counterparts, which is something you won't rea
by SmirkingRevenge 9y ago
Our industry also has quite a lot of self-taught professionals, who can perform as well as their college educated counterparts, which is something you won't really get in professions like Law or Medicine. I think that's a good thing, when it comes to software.
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- kramer1416 9y agoThat implies CS degree is a hoax, which is not. The bootcamp style of skilled labour generation is possible simply because of the demand-supply gap.
- sidlls 9y agoI'd make a different point: the CS degree isn't a hoax, but it's not strictly necessary for software engineering work. In a real world application systems very quickly escape the boundaries of undergrad CS facts.
- SmirkingRevenge 9y agoI don't think so. Computers and software are simply more accessible for laymen to dig into and teach themselves something. You can't learn and practice surgery yourself. On the other hand, you can teach yourself software engineering. You can be practitioner with nothing more than a computer - and so many people are. That doesn't mean CS degrees are a hoax - it just means the field is more accessible to those without college degrees (though its definitely going to be a more difficult path).
- pjmlp 9y agoJust because in countries like US, one can call himself/herself engineer, without any actual meaning. At least in Europe things are a bit more strict.
- Tehnix 9y agoIt's an unfortunate situation honestly, because it pollutes the term "engineer" (at least for Europeans), when it's being conflated with "I just know how to code".
- Tehnix 9y agowhile it might to some seem slightly controversial, it would make more sense to argue against it instead of just down voting. Would you disagree if people from the US did not need to pass the bar to call themselves lawyers, or the equivalent for doctors? Is it just because I compared this specific thing from the US in a negative light compared to EU?
- walshemj 9y agoAnd which countries invented the computer pray? ok I know about Zuze but he was effectively ignored. In terms of PE / CENG status its more who you know that what you know :-)
- pjmlp 9y agoWell, computing has lots to thank to UK, Germany, Finland, France, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden and Denmark. Sorry if I forgot anything, fellow Europeans.
- walshemj 9y agoYou didn't get that I was hinting that countries that don't have strict rules about who can call themselves engineers invented the core tech behind computers ditto Ethernet which was US and UK.
- pjmlp 9y agoSome of the countries I listed do have strict rules and also invented core tech behind computers. Core tech behind computers is more than just a network protocol that got lucky. In case you missed it, Robert Metcalfe is an electrical engineer.
- closeparen 9y agoA standardized credentialing exam doesn't have to require a college degree.