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Well they exist and they list on airbnb. Forget where but I noticed a whole bunch of very similar looking listing and I thought it was spam at first but realize

Well they exist and they list on airbnb. Forget where but I noticed a whole bunch of very similar looking listing and I thought it was spam at first but realized it was just an apartment/condo complex putting their unleased inventory to work. Kinda smart I guess?

hn_throwaway_99 9y ago
> Well they exist and they list on airbnb. My whole point is they won't anymore in SF after this policy goes into full effect. Unless it's something like a hotel or real bed and breakfast (the article explains these exemptions), only primary residents are allowed to list short term rentals (this legislation was put into place to prevent investors from buying up places just to put on AirBnB). It's illegal for the building owner to put up short term (i.e. < 30 days) rentals for multiple units in a building zoned for apartments or condos. My point is that almost all large, multi-tenant buildings prevent their residents from doing short term rentals through subleases (or, if it's a condo building, in their HOA rules).
URSpider94 9y ago
In many cases, this isn’t people renting out unused inventory. It’s landlords taking their apartments out of circulation for long-term tenants in order to rent to short-term tenants on AirBnB. Think about it - an Airbnb listing has to be furnished, so the landlord has to make a decent investment in order to put such a listing on the market. It’s not like they’re furnishing apartments in between tenants moving in/out to get a few night’s rent. This is also really unfriendly to tenants, you now have a bunch of strangers traipsing through the hallways with no relationship or accountability to the neighbors.
- visarga 9y ago
  > This is also really unfriendly to tenants, you now have a bunch of strangers traipsing through the hallways with no relationship or accountability to the neighbors. The root of the problem is that tourists have diverging interests compared to locals, because they don't have to share the same building for many years. In situations where agents have to deal again and again, tit-for-tat works. But not where they meet just once. It should be solved by good reputation tracking over rentals, so they don't escape responsibility - maybe reputation tracking should be outside the hands of a private company that has an interest in the game, like an independent organisation.

hn_throwaway_99 9y ago

> Well they exist and they list on airbnb. My whole point is they won't anymore in SF after this policy goes into full effect. Unless it's something like a hotel or real bed and breakfast (the article explains these exemptions), only primary residents are allowed to list short term rentals (this legislation was put into place to prevent investors from buying up places just to put on AirBnB). It's illegal for the building owner to put up short term (i.e. < 30 days) rentals for multiple units in a building zoned for apartments or condos. My point is that almost all large, multi-tenant buildings prevent their residents from doing short term rentals through subleases (or, if it's a condo building, in their HOA rules).

URSpider94 9y ago

In many cases, this isn’t people renting out unused inventory. It’s landlords taking their apartments out of circulation for long-term tenants in order to rent to short-term tenants on AirBnB. Think about it - an Airbnb listing has to be furnished, so the landlord has to make a decent investment in order to put such a listing on the market. It’s not like they’re furnishing apartments in between tenants moving in/out to get a few night’s rent. This is also really unfriendly to tenants, you now have a bunch of strangers traipsing through the hallways with no relationship or accountability to the neighbors.

visarga 9y ago
> This is also really unfriendly to tenants, you now have a bunch of strangers traipsing through the hallways with no relationship or accountability to the neighbors. The root of the problem is that tourists have diverging interests compared to locals, because they don't have to share the same building for many years. In situations where agents have to deal again and again, tit-for-tat works. But not where they meet just once. It should be solved by good reputation tracking over rentals, so they don't escape responsibility - maybe reputation tracking should be outside the hands of a private company that has an interest in the game, like an independent organisation.