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If you're just talking about how one word or another primes people's behavior I have no quibble; in fact I may even support such a substitution in some cases.
by _dps 9y ago
If you're just talking about how one word or another primes people's behavior I have no quibble; in fact I may even support such a substitution in some cases.
But I think you are too harsh on the idea of winning as inherently bad. If you are a saint and your opponent is a nazi, you fundamentally disagree on what the truth is. The way you advance truth is by winning (i.e. persuading an audience, or perhaps even your opponent, that your views are correct).
I agree that in general it's best to avoid zero-sum framing. But some ideas are simply incompatible with other ideas, and in those cases the pursuit of truth is inextricably tied to winning a contest.
- bayonetz 9y agoIn my experience, there isn't a whole lot of "winning" in scenarios of fundamental disagreement. Sides just dig in and entrench. Not much to be done there I think. My debate vs dialogue distinction is more about the priming of behavior, as you call it, in the more common scenarios that are well short of fundamental disagreement -- scenarios at risk of turning in to a contest instead of maintaining the spirit of a mutual truth expedition.
- iovrthoughtthis 9y ago"Winning" is hardly ever productive.