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True, countless people have one fate, the other group of countless people have another. Poor people of Chicago have one fate, rich people of Chicago have anothe

True, countless people have one fate, the other group of countless people have another. Poor people of Chicago have one fate, rich people of Chicago have another. For the first group live in Chicago is terrible, for the other it was awesome. Both are right.

tpm 9y ago
While for people who died in the Holodomor (etc) life wasn't at all, because the communist regime killed them by the millions. Do you see the difference? Or are you trying to derail the conversation by using whataboutism, a proven Soviet propaganda tactic?
- IWeldMelons 9y ago
  No, I am not trying to derail anything. Holodomor happened during the Stalin's time indeed, but USSR had sharply changed its politics after his death. Late Soviet Union did not have any holodmors and such, and for many people life in USSR was better that it is now. I can say for sure, economically, Central Asia, Moldova and even Ukraine were better off in USSR than they are today.
  - 0ld 9y ago
    As someone who lived a half of his life in that very "late soviet union", I'd like to ask you to try telling your fairy tales elsewhere. Even a simple googling for images of "late ussr shops" or "late ussr queues" would give anyone a very good idea of how "economically better" it was.
    - IWeldMelons 9y ago
      According to the CIA, GDP per capita of the USSR in 1990 was 1/2 of the GDP of the US. GDP of Tajikistan today is 1/50th of the US's, and after adjustment for purchasing power 1/20th of American. Same true for Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova and to lesser extent Armenia, Georgia and Ukraine.
    - dang 9y ago
      > try telling your fairy tales elsewhere You can't post like that to HN, both because it's personally uncivil and because national/ideological flamewar is not welcome here. The world is big. People have vastly different perspectives. One person's experience doesn't contradict another's. Commenters here must remain respectful, and it costs nothing except a bit of effort to do so. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 9y ago
  Would you please stop using Hacker News for ideological flamewar? It's emphatically not what this site is for. You've also crossed into personal attack, insinuating that someone else might be an enemy spy. That's a bannable offense on HN. Please just keep all such stuff far away from here.

tpm 9y ago

While for people who died in the Holodomor (etc) life wasn't at all, because the communist regime killed them by the millions. Do you see the difference? Or are you trying to derail the conversation by using whataboutism, a proven Soviet propaganda tactic?

IWeldMelons 9y ago
No, I am not trying to derail anything. Holodomor happened during the Stalin's time indeed, but USSR had sharply changed its politics after his death. Late Soviet Union did not have any holodmors and such, and for many people life in USSR was better that it is now. I can say for sure, economically, Central Asia, Moldova and even Ukraine were better off in USSR than they are today.
- 0ld 9y ago
  As someone who lived a half of his life in that very "late soviet union", I'd like to ask you to try telling your fairy tales elsewhere. Even a simple googling for images of "late ussr shops" or "late ussr queues" would give anyone a very good idea of how "economically better" it was.
  - IWeldMelons 9y ago
    According to the CIA, GDP per capita of the USSR in 1990 was 1/2 of the GDP of the US. GDP of Tajikistan today is 1/50th of the US's, and after adjustment for purchasing power 1/20th of American. Same true for Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova and to lesser extent Armenia, Georgia and Ukraine.
  - dang 9y ago
    > try telling your fairy tales elsewhere You can't post like that to HN, both because it's personally uncivil and because national/ideological flamewar is not welcome here. The world is big. People have vastly different perspectives. One person's experience doesn't contradict another's. Commenters here must remain respectful, and it costs nothing except a bit of effort to do so. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 9y ago
Would you please stop using Hacker News for ideological flamewar? It's emphatically not what this site is for. You've also crossed into personal attack, insinuating that someone else might be an enemy spy. That's a bannable offense on HN. Please just keep all such stuff far away from here.