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I had considered that too and breaking a window to gain access was an option. I'm not a member of the church, but I chose this building specifically as it was

I had considered that too and breaking a window to gain access was an option. I'm not a member of the church, but I chose this building specifically as it was most likely to have other people seeking shelter there who also had keys to the building. Indeed, the first family to arrive after us lived a block away and I did verify they do have a key.

ryanSrich 9y ago
Out of curiosity, why does being around other people matter? Wouldn't you want to find a structure that would withstand the blast/fallout?
- baddox 9y ago
  I think the point was that other people would come there and would have keys, meaning there’s a high probability of him being let it.
- McKayDavis 9y ago
  It doesn't, except for increasing the odds of being able to gain access. The church is simply the best structure for blast/fallout protection that is accessible from our house within the flight-time of an ICBM launched towards Hawaii. That being said, it was comforting to have other families to share concerns with.
  - ddxxdd 9y ago
    But you would be splitting limited supplies among more people, right? Was the church only meant as a shelter for the blast, and not an actual fallout shelter?
    - McKayDavis 9y ago
      > But you would be splitting limited supplies among more people, right? Yes, but Mormon churches generally have well-stocked pantries they use to help local families in need. > Was the church only meant as a shelter for the blast, and not an actual fallout shelter? Both. Compared to our house, the church is a stronger building that is much more airtight (in the case of fallout). As far as actual fallout shelters, there are none -- this is simply the best option within reach.
fosk 9y ago
Assuming you can survive the initial blast, how do you plan to protect yourself and your family from radioactive dust for 7-10 days (assuming windows are broken by the blast - or by you).
- rymohr 9y ago
  I’m curious how long the fallout would actually be an issue here, assuming trades were blowing 10-15 knots as usual.
  - McKayDavis 9y ago
    It definitely depends on a number of variable factors including the size and location of a detonation. Either way, the leeward side would definitely be a higher risk area.
- semi-extrinsic 9y ago
  Dunno about OP; I have 3M 7500 masks (small/medium/large as appropriate) with 60921i cartridges for the whole family. They are also used whenever we're doing fine grit sanding, fibreglass work, welding etc. so everyone's used to them. (Helps that they're pink, for the girls.) Also keep iodine tablets in your bugout bag. And a razor, masks won't do shit if you have more than stubble on your cheek.
cbr 9y ago
I'm not a member of the church I'm atheist, but if things were going horribly wrong LDS would be high on my list of people to be around.
- henrikschroder 9y ago
  Pro: A bunch of them are nutty doomsday preppers, with a lot of food supplies in their basements. Con: The polygamy, child abuse, and endless fast and testimony meetings get kinda old after a while.
  - xj9 9y ago
    i'm not a member of the lds church, but you should do some fact checking: mainline mormons don't practice polygamy.
  - heartles 9y ago
    > polygamy, child abuse, and endless fast and testimony meetings Speaking anecdotally about my experiences in Oregon with Mormon friends, this feels like a gross misrepresentation. I haven't seen any of these situations pop up, and certainly not in any way that would cause it to be systemic.
    - henrikschroder 9y ago
      Polygamy was tongue-in-cheek, they of course only practice spiritual polygamy these days, since it's illegal. Worthiness interviews are absolutely systemic though. You might not think it's child abuse for an adult man, a "bishop", to have one-on-one interviews with 11-14yo children asking them if they masturbate, but I do. Fast and testimony meetings are of course systemic, every first Sunday of the month. Their horror is more of a roll-your-eyes extreme boredom kind, though.
  - joshuakcockrell 9y ago
    Mormons stopped practicing polygamy in 1890.
Erik816 9y ago
Doesn't breaking a window to get in negate the "sealed windows" advantage of the location?
- bonesss 9y ago
  You can cover up a broken window from the inside. Better, that, than standing outside...
- McKayDavis 9y ago
  Maybe a bit, but a single broken window pane would be far easier to re-seal and protect from fallout than the literal wind sieve that is my house. Every window in our house (save two) are the jalousie type common in older homes in Hawaii. [1] [1] https://modernize.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/jalousie-windows-e1462476512694.jpg https://modernize.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/jalousie-wi...

ryanSrich 9y ago

Out of curiosity, why does being around other people matter? Wouldn't you want to find a structure that would withstand the blast/fallout?

baddox 9y ago
I think the point was that other people would come there and would have keys, meaning there’s a high probability of him being let it.
McKayDavis 9y ago
It doesn't, except for increasing the odds of being able to gain access. The church is simply the best structure for blast/fallout protection that is accessible from our house within the flight-time of an ICBM launched towards Hawaii. That being said, it was comforting to have other families to share concerns with.
- ddxxdd 9y ago
  But you would be splitting limited supplies among more people, right? Was the church only meant as a shelter for the blast, and not an actual fallout shelter?
  - McKayDavis 9y ago
    > But you would be splitting limited supplies among more people, right? Yes, but Mormon churches generally have well-stocked pantries they use to help local families in need. > Was the church only meant as a shelter for the blast, and not an actual fallout shelter? Both. Compared to our house, the church is a stronger building that is much more airtight (in the case of fallout). As far as actual fallout shelters, there are none -- this is simply the best option within reach.

fosk 9y ago

Assuming you can survive the initial blast, how do you plan to protect yourself and your family from radioactive dust for 7-10 days (assuming windows are broken by the blast - or by you).

rymohr 9y ago
I’m curious how long the fallout would actually be an issue here, assuming trades were blowing 10-15 knots as usual.
- McKayDavis 9y ago
  It definitely depends on a number of variable factors including the size and location of a detonation. Either way, the leeward side would definitely be a higher risk area.
semi-extrinsic 9y ago
Dunno about OP; I have 3M 7500 masks (small/medium/large as appropriate) with 60921i cartridges for the whole family. They are also used whenever we're doing fine grit sanding, fibreglass work, welding etc. so everyone's used to them. (Helps that they're pink, for the girls.) Also keep iodine tablets in your bugout bag. And a razor, masks won't do shit if you have more than stubble on your cheek.

cbr 9y ago

I'm not a member of the church I'm atheist, but if things were going horribly wrong LDS would be high on my list of people to be around.

henrikschroder 9y ago
Pro: A bunch of them are nutty doomsday preppers, with a lot of food supplies in their basements. Con: The polygamy, child abuse, and endless fast and testimony meetings get kinda old after a while.
- xj9 9y ago
  i'm not a member of the lds church, but you should do some fact checking: mainline mormons don't practice polygamy.
- heartles 9y ago
  > polygamy, child abuse, and endless fast and testimony meetings Speaking anecdotally about my experiences in Oregon with Mormon friends, this feels like a gross misrepresentation. I haven't seen any of these situations pop up, and certainly not in any way that would cause it to be systemic.
  - henrikschroder 9y ago
    Polygamy was tongue-in-cheek, they of course only practice spiritual polygamy these days, since it's illegal. Worthiness interviews are absolutely systemic though. You might not think it's child abuse for an adult man, a "bishop", to have one-on-one interviews with 11-14yo children asking them if they masturbate, but I do. Fast and testimony meetings are of course systemic, every first Sunday of the month. Their horror is more of a roll-your-eyes extreme boredom kind, though.
- joshuakcockrell 9y ago
  Mormons stopped practicing polygamy in 1890.

Erik816 9y ago

Doesn't breaking a window to get in negate the "sealed windows" advantage of the location?

bonesss 9y ago
You can cover up a broken window from the inside. Better, that, than standing outside...
McKayDavis 9y ago
Maybe a bit, but a single broken window pane would be far easier to re-seal and protect from fallout than the literal wind sieve that is my house. Every window in our house (save two) are the jalousie type common in older homes in Hawaii. [1] [1] https://modernize.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/jalousie-windows-e1462476512694.jpg https://modernize.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/jalousie-wi...