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Almost all miners use a mining pool so wouldn't have access to these tricks. The pools on the other hand... I used to have an Ethereum mining operation, befor

Almost all miners use a mining pool so wouldn't have access to these tricks. The pools on the other hand... I used to have an Ethereum mining operation, before it became unprofitable to do so. It was one of the most fun ventures of my life. All the cards and enormous heat and fans exchanging outside air in. It felt like I was part of something futuristic and new, solving problems I had never had experience with before. I miss it very much, I wish it could have gone on forever.

1337biz 9y ago
Care to share some insights into the economics of running it and how it became unprofitable?
- joshvm 9y ago
  The economics are simple - how much power do you use vs how much money you make per unit time. As a miner you're banking on the increase in difficulty correlating with an increase in price. Ethereum mining difficulty plummeted back in October, flatlined for a bit, and has been slowly on the rise since December. There is limited resale value in the cards (depreciation etc), but even after PoS hits there will be enough mineable things that selling them off wouldn't be necessary. Love or hate it, you could use a service like Nicehash. It becomes unprofitable if the difficulty spikes, but not the value, so your hardware takes a long time to mine little. Often this happens between new technology generations, like when ASIC miners made GPU miners unusable for Bitcoin. Right now Ethereum is still quite profitable to mine. I have a bunch of GTX1060's with a combined hashrate of 100MH/s running on an EthOS system. That's enough to earn between 0.35-0.4 ETH a month at the moment. The power usage is around 300W with some twiddling - around £25-30 per month. You also have to consider speculative value of the coin. Suppose you were mining 1ETH a month back in January '17. Your monthly payout (about $30) would have barely covered electricity, but now 1ETH a month is practically a minimum wage salary. You need to be honest with yourself why you're doing it - are you making money to spend today or are you holding?
- JohnJamesRambo 9y ago
  I just exited when the calculator at mycryptobuddy.com (which calculates in difficulty increases) indicated that profitability would be miniscule and not much over electricity costs very soon. It cannot account for price increases in Ethereum, but if you are using that to stay profitable it is almost always better to invest in the coins themselves. I sold all my gear and cards while their price was high and invested all the money into cryptocurrency. The gamble has paid off handsomely, I make more from crypto investing than from my job now. It has allowed me access to things I never could have dreamed of, but I still miss walking in my Ethereum mine and feeling the over 100 deg. temps and the instant sweat and all the noise. I miss all the network cables and blinking lights and thinking about the new network I was helping to secure. Trading and investing can't hold a candle to it, but the money is better.
doctoboggan 9y ago
If you have modern cards you can still mine with one of the services that find the most profitable algorithm for you. I use NiceHash and have historically made about $2/day per GTX1070. This past month though I've been making more that double that. EDIT: Use this site to find out if your cards will be profitable considering your energy costs: https://www.nicehash.com/profitability-calculator https://www.nicehash.com/profitability-calculator I do want to leave one important caveat. NiceHash was recently hacked and anyone who left their money in their online NiceHash wallest lost it. They recently came back online and claimed they have a plan for paying people back and will give more details at the end of this month. That being said they have paid me for my mining since the hack. If you do use them I'd recommend withdrawing to wallets you control as often as possible.
- prepend 9y ago
  Are you mining independently? Or as part of a pool?
  - doctoboggan 9y ago
    I use the nicehash pool
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- corford 9y ago
  I don't understand the economic argument for personal mining (I totally get it from a fun, geeky PoV if making money isn't the primary goal - it's how I got started in crypto). A GTX1070 costs about $800. At $4/day, it will take you 200 days to make back your principle (ignoring power costs, difficulty scores going up etc. - in reality it will obviously take you even longer to cover your costs). If you had put that same $800 in to buying ETH (picked because it's a relatively safe, "boring" coin) on 1st July, 200 days later (or 7 months) it would have been worth $2,140 (yielding a $1,340 profit per card equivalent cost invested - note I'm using ETH price on 1st Jan 2018 and not including the recent growth to a new all time high). And the profit will likely x5 (or more) this year if you hold on to your ETH.

1337biz 9y ago

Care to share some insights into the economics of running it and how it became unprofitable?

joshvm 9y ago
The economics are simple - how much power do you use vs how much money you make per unit time. As a miner you're banking on the increase in difficulty correlating with an increase in price. Ethereum mining difficulty plummeted back in October, flatlined for a bit, and has been slowly on the rise since December. There is limited resale value in the cards (depreciation etc), but even after PoS hits there will be enough mineable things that selling them off wouldn't be necessary. Love or hate it, you could use a service like Nicehash. It becomes unprofitable if the difficulty spikes, but not the value, so your hardware takes a long time to mine little. Often this happens between new technology generations, like when ASIC miners made GPU miners unusable for Bitcoin. Right now Ethereum is still quite profitable to mine. I have a bunch of GTX1060's with a combined hashrate of 100MH/s running on an EthOS system. That's enough to earn between 0.35-0.4 ETH a month at the moment. The power usage is around 300W with some twiddling - around £25-30 per month. You also have to consider speculative value of the coin. Suppose you were mining 1ETH a month back in January '17. Your monthly payout (about $30) would have barely covered electricity, but now 1ETH a month is practically a minimum wage salary. You need to be honest with yourself why you're doing it - are you making money to spend today or are you holding?
JohnJamesRambo 9y ago
I just exited when the calculator at mycryptobuddy.com (which calculates in difficulty increases) indicated that profitability would be miniscule and not much over electricity costs very soon. It cannot account for price increases in Ethereum, but if you are using that to stay profitable it is almost always better to invest in the coins themselves. I sold all my gear and cards while their price was high and invested all the money into cryptocurrency. The gamble has paid off handsomely, I make more from crypto investing than from my job now. It has allowed me access to things I never could have dreamed of, but I still miss walking in my Ethereum mine and feeling the over 100 deg. temps and the instant sweat and all the noise. I miss all the network cables and blinking lights and thinking about the new network I was helping to secure. Trading and investing can't hold a candle to it, but the money is better.

doctoboggan 9y ago

If you have modern cards you can still mine with one of the services that find the most profitable algorithm for you. I use NiceHash and have historically made about $2/day per GTX1070. This past month though I've been making more that double that. EDIT: Use this site to find out if your cards will be profitable considering your energy costs: https://www.nicehash.com/profitability-calculator https://www.nicehash.com/profitability-calculator I do want to leave one important caveat. NiceHash was recently hacked and anyone who left their money in their online NiceHash wallest lost it. They recently came back online and claimed they have a plan for paying people back and will give more details at the end of this month. That being said they have paid me for my mining since the hack. If you do use them I'd recommend withdrawing to wallets you control as often as possible.

prepend 9y ago
Are you mining independently? Or as part of a pool?
- doctoboggan 9y ago
  I use the nicehash pool
  - deleted 9y ago
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corford 9y ago
I don't understand the economic argument for personal mining (I totally get it from a fun, geeky PoV if making money isn't the primary goal - it's how I got started in crypto). A GTX1070 costs about $800. At $4/day, it will take you 200 days to make back your principle (ignoring power costs, difficulty scores going up etc. - in reality it will obviously take you even longer to cover your costs). If you had put that same $800 in to buying ETH (picked because it's a relatively safe, "boring" coin) on 1st July, 200 days later (or 7 months) it would have been worth $2,140 (yielding a $1,340 profit per card equivalent cost invested - note I'm using ETH price on 1st Jan 2018 and not including the recent growth to a new all time high). And the profit will likely x5 (or more) this year if you hold on to your ETH.