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Making a false statement over and over doesn’t make it any more correct. This is just ugly rhetoric which is why I stopped interacting. As a liberal I think th

Making a false statement over and over doesn’t make it any more correct. This is just ugly rhetoric which is why I stopped interacting. As a liberal I think the left has a huge problem with this kind of narrow mindedness on what opinions one can hold and unwillingness to listen, using rhetoric to disingenuously twist someone’s viewpoint into something clearly offensive. It clearly doesn’t matter what you actually say. The use of this kind of rhetoric seem to build upon the incorrect assumption that democracy is the default state, and that you can use this to enforce an us vs them so that it’s easier to fight a social justice war. Let’s hope the left doesn’t create an authoritarian state by systematically acting using authoritarian means.

joshuamorton 9y ago
This is not a constructive response, it appears to be a rant. I have no interest in continuing this discussion if you're responses will be unrelated to the content of my posts and instead be emotionally charged complaints that I'm treating you unfairly.
- asabjorn 9y ago
  I think we both share that feeling. Best of luck working for what you believe in. I think we’ll work for different things. :)
  - joshuamorton 9y ago
    To be clear: your first post described "Affirmative Action" as "bigotry, sexism, and racism". As I explained in my longer post, I was applying a similar description to your proposal. If you're going to characterize "affirmative action" with such charged terms as "racism" "sexism" and "bigotry", do you at least see the irony in complaining when I do the same? I'm willing to agree that your proposal is not intended to be segregation, are you willing to agree that affirmative action is not racist or sexist?
    - asabjorn 9y ago
      Nice play with the word intended. I can agree that affirmative action is not intended to be racist or sexist. It’s a tool, with positive and negative consequences. I am not saying it’s a tool that we should not use. Unfortunately the number of Hispanic and African Americans in tech decreased between 2007 and 2015 while gender balance improved which is part of the reason why I think we need to look into other tools as well. I think it’s worth asking oneself if our current tools are not inclusive to different viewpoints, and just filter for people that are similar to the ones already there and happen to check the right boxes. Would someone that dresses, talks, and walks like they come from east Oakland be hired even if they were a capable engineer or have we not made ourself inclusive to that?

joshuamorton 9y ago

This is not a constructive response, it appears to be a rant. I have no interest in continuing this discussion if you're responses will be unrelated to the content of my posts and instead be emotionally charged complaints that I'm treating you unfairly.

asabjorn 9y ago
I think we both share that feeling. Best of luck working for what you believe in. I think we’ll work for different things. :)
- joshuamorton 9y ago
  To be clear: your first post described "Affirmative Action" as "bigotry, sexism, and racism". As I explained in my longer post, I was applying a similar description to your proposal. If you're going to characterize "affirmative action" with such charged terms as "racism" "sexism" and "bigotry", do you at least see the irony in complaining when I do the same? I'm willing to agree that your proposal is not intended to be segregation, are you willing to agree that affirmative action is not racist or sexist?
  - asabjorn 9y ago
    Nice play with the word intended. I can agree that affirmative action is not intended to be racist or sexist. It’s a tool, with positive and negative consequences. I am not saying it’s a tool that we should not use. Unfortunately the number of Hispanic and African Americans in tech decreased between 2007 and 2015 while gender balance improved which is part of the reason why I think we need to look into other tools as well. I think it’s worth asking oneself if our current tools are not inclusive to different viewpoints, and just filter for people that are similar to the ones already there and happen to check the right boxes. Would someone that dresses, talks, and walks like they come from east Oakland be hired even if they were a capable engineer or have we not made ourself inclusive to that?