2 ms·

What's your plan for dealing with Orthodox Judaism or Quiverful or other ideological/religious sects that believe that having as many children possible as quick

What's your plan for dealing with Orthodox Judaism or Quiverful or other ideological/religious sects that believe that having as many children possible as quickly as possible is God's will? Exponentially increasing cost is a problem for the most technocratic plans you can imagine. And in a democratic society not only will groups that have tons of children grow rapidly, they will also increase their share of the voting power at the same rate.

PhasmaFelis 9y ago
What's the problem? As long as those kids grow up to be roughly as successful as the national average, they'll be paying back into the system and everything works as intended. Also, Orthodox Jews have been around for a long, long time and are still a small minority almost everywhere. Small ideological sects with large families historically don't seem to take over the world.
- Banthum 9y ago
  >Small ideological sects with large families historically don't seem to take over the world. It only seems that way because pre-1960, the world was entirely dominated by sects (e.g. religions) with large families. All the old religions are very traditionally pro-natalist for a reason. Go forth and multiply! If the population didn't grow, it was only because there was just no more food to feed more mouths. So it was for all of human history until recently. It's only now that there is a significant group of people who choose not to have large families, and who have the birth control technology to make it happen. As with past sects who followed this path, they will dwindle as a proportion of the population. We are in nothing like a steady state, and high-fertility groups absolutely will own the future, just as they owned the past. Topical here is The Most Important Graph In The World: https://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Population-1950-2100-b.png https://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Populati...
  - abledon 9y ago
    https://mobile.twitter.com/larrykim/status/949279742313795584/photo/1 https://mobile.twitter.com/larrykim/status/94927974231379558...

PhasmaFelis 9y ago

What's the problem? As long as those kids grow up to be roughly as successful as the national average, they'll be paying back into the system and everything works as intended. Also, Orthodox Jews have been around for a long, long time and are still a small minority almost everywhere. Small ideological sects with large families historically don't seem to take over the world.

Banthum 9y ago
>Small ideological sects with large families historically don't seem to take over the world. It only seems that way because pre-1960, the world was entirely dominated by sects (e.g. religions) with large families. All the old religions are very traditionally pro-natalist for a reason. Go forth and multiply! If the population didn't grow, it was only because there was just no more food to feed more mouths. So it was for all of human history until recently. It's only now that there is a significant group of people who choose not to have large families, and who have the birth control technology to make it happen. As with past sects who followed this path, they will dwindle as a proportion of the population. We are in nothing like a steady state, and high-fertility groups absolutely will own the future, just as they owned the past. Topical here is The Most Important Graph In The World: https://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Population-1950-2100-b.png https://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Populati...
- abledon 9y ago
  https://mobile.twitter.com/larrykim/status/949279742313795584/photo/1 https://mobile.twitter.com/larrykim/status/94927974231379558...