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> It's the protestant puritan spirit. America was settled by a lot more than just puritans. There were also notably cavaliers, quakers, and borderers. That and

> It's the protestant puritan spirit. America was settled by a lot more than just puritans. There were also notably cavaliers, quakers, and borderers. That and a bunch of other groups that came later. They definitely had an influence but you're going to need to make a better, less lazy argument than this. It's like invoking the Prussians to explain something about Europe you don't like.

coldtea 9y ago
>America was settled by a lot more than just puritans. Yes, but they won the cultural influence, not quakers. >They definitely had an influence but you're going to need to make a better, less lazy argument than this. General arguments don't go into the nuances, but that doesn't mean they're not good as models. In so much as someone believes in the role of ideas, ideology and religion in history and the development of a society, some connections are quite inevitable to make. >It's like invoking the Prussians to explain something about Europe you don't like. Lots of things about Europe one like's or doesn't like can be explained by historical circumstance, including things that happened way before the Prussian state. Tons of France's secular stance, for example, customs and institutions hark back from the era of the French Revolution.
- baud147258 9y ago
  > Tons of France's secular stance, for example, customs and institutions hark back from the era of the French Revolution That's wrong. Secular stances in France are mostly coming from the time of the third Republic, beginning at the end of the XIX th century, culminating with the Church-State separation in 1905. But since the third republic was established after the Prussian victory over Napoleon III, you can invoke the Prussians as being responsible for the secular stance in France. /s
Spooky23 9y ago
Yes, but the puritans got rich from the opium, tea and spice trade, so thry wrote the history.

coldtea 9y ago

>America was settled by a lot more than just puritans. Yes, but they won the cultural influence, not quakers. >They definitely had an influence but you're going to need to make a better, less lazy argument than this. General arguments don't go into the nuances, but that doesn't mean they're not good as models. In so much as someone believes in the role of ideas, ideology and religion in history and the development of a society, some connections are quite inevitable to make. >It's like invoking the Prussians to explain something about Europe you don't like. Lots of things about Europe one like's or doesn't like can be explained by historical circumstance, including things that happened way before the Prussian state. Tons of France's secular stance, for example, customs and institutions hark back from the era of the French Revolution.

baud147258 9y ago
> Tons of France's secular stance, for example, customs and institutions hark back from the era of the French Revolution That's wrong. Secular stances in France are mostly coming from the time of the third Republic, beginning at the end of the XIX th century, culminating with the Church-State separation in 1905. But since the third republic was established after the Prussian victory over Napoleon III, you can invoke the Prussians as being responsible for the secular stance in France. /s

Spooky23 9y ago

Yes, but the puritans got rich from the opium, tea and spice trade, so thry wrote the history.