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For debugging on remote servers this is pretty handy (at least, one it makes its way into the server versions). Now I have hope they'll put in a text editor th

For debugging on remote servers this is pretty handy (at least, one it makes its way into the server versions). Now I have hope they'll put in a text editor that understands unix line endings.

martin-adams 9y ago
It's like they're trying to get a record by not doing that. For years I've been baffled why Notepad at the very least couldn't understand unix line endings.
- eat_veggies 9y ago
  It's possible they lost the source code and literally can't. They've done it before: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-appears-to-have-lost-the-source-code-of-an-office-component/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-ap...
  - nwellnhof 9y ago
    Equation Editor was developed by a third party and MS probably never had the source code in the first place: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4057882/error-when-editing-an-equation-in-office https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4057882/error-when-...
  - userbinator 9y ago
    Notepad is literally a window with the standard Windows Edit control inside it, so they certainly have the source code. My guess as to why they don't care to support \n-only is that there's been very little need to; anyone who needs more advanced editing isn't going to use Notepad anyway. As the sibling comment mentions, WordPad (which is similar but with a RichEdit control) does support \n-only.
    - TazeTSchnitzel 9y ago
      If you want notepad-with-LF-support, ReactOS, the open-source Windows NT clone, has this.
- trumpsamerica 9y ago
  It's because windows line endings are actually the technically correct one. Ever tried raw output to terminal?
  - nerdponx 9y ago
    I go back and forth on this. On the one hand, you're right in that you need both a line feed and a carriage return to actually "start a new line" (+1 to Windows). On the other, it seems wasteful to have two characters do a job that, in text files, could be just as easily done by one; editing and storing text is not the same as printing it, especially when the print incantation is a vestige of mostly-obsolete hardware (+1 to Unix).
    - trumpsamerica 9y ago
      Truthfully I have the exact view as yours (upvoted) but people rant without understanding. They are creating Tomorrow "evil" monopolies with their bandwagoning
  - gregmac 9y ago
    Maybe according to the defined behavior of those characters, but that can't be why notepad doesn't support Unix line endings, as it still doesn't actually line feed when it sees a line feed character. I have never tried but I also suspect it won't do a carriage return for just a carriage return character (to be fair, that wouldn't really makes sense in a text editor anyway).
- sjellis 9y ago
  "It's like they're trying to get a record by not doing that. For years I've been baffled why Notepad at the very least couldn't understand unix line endings." Probably the same reason that the CMD shell is so bad, and is only now being fixed up: since Windows is proprietary, nothing can be improved unless either the Microsoft decision-makers that are responsible for the product choose to spend budget on it, or there is a directive from higher-up in the company.
chungy 9y ago
WordPad has supported Unix line endings since Windows 95 ;)

For debugging on remote servers this is pretty handy (at least, one it makes its way into the server versions). Now I have hope they'll put in a text editor that understands unix line endings.

martin-adams 9y ago

It's like they're trying to get a record by not doing that. For years I've been baffled why Notepad at the very least couldn't understand unix line endings.

eat_veggies 9y ago
It's possible they lost the source code and literally can't. They've done it before: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-appears-to-have-lost-the-source-code-of-an-office-component/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-ap...
- nwellnhof 9y ago
  Equation Editor was developed by a third party and MS probably never had the source code in the first place: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4057882/error-when-editing-an-equation-in-office https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4057882/error-when-...
- userbinator 9y ago
  Notepad is literally a window with the standard Windows Edit control inside it, so they certainly have the source code. My guess as to why they don't care to support \n-only is that there's been very little need to; anyone who needs more advanced editing isn't going to use Notepad anyway. As the sibling comment mentions, WordPad (which is similar but with a RichEdit control) does support \n-only.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 9y ago
    If you want notepad-with-LF-support, ReactOS, the open-source Windows NT clone, has this.
trumpsamerica 9y ago
It's because windows line endings are actually the technically correct one. Ever tried raw output to terminal?
- nerdponx 9y ago
  I go back and forth on this. On the one hand, you're right in that you need both a line feed and a carriage return to actually "start a new line" (+1 to Windows). On the other, it seems wasteful to have two characters do a job that, in text files, could be just as easily done by one; editing and storing text is not the same as printing it, especially when the print incantation is a vestige of mostly-obsolete hardware (+1 to Unix).
  - trumpsamerica 9y ago
    Truthfully I have the exact view as yours (upvoted) but people rant without understanding. They are creating Tomorrow "evil" monopolies with their bandwagoning
- gregmac 9y ago
  Maybe according to the defined behavior of those characters, but that can't be why notepad doesn't support Unix line endings, as it still doesn't actually line feed when it sees a line feed character. I have never tried but I also suspect it won't do a carriage return for just a carriage return character (to be fair, that wouldn't really makes sense in a text editor anyway).
sjellis 9y ago
"It's like they're trying to get a record by not doing that. For years I've been baffled why Notepad at the very least couldn't understand unix line endings." Probably the same reason that the CMD shell is so bad, and is only now being fixed up: since Windows is proprietary, nothing can be improved unless either the Microsoft decision-makers that are responsible for the product choose to spend budget on it, or there is a directive from higher-up in the company.

chungy 9y ago

WordPad has supported Unix line endings since Windows 95 ;)