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I guess my cynicism level is the issue :I don't trust Apple a whole lot than, let's say Google. Their servers are still operating in the US, they don't have a

I guess my cynicism level is the issue :I don't trust Apple a whole lot than, let's say Google. Their servers are still operating in the US, they don't have a stellar history of protecting their consumer's privacy (for example not so long ago people realized that their iPhones were sending location data to Apple. Apple's stance on privacy seems more motivated by PR than a genuine core value of the company.

drb91 9y ago
Regardless of how it is motivated, it is more effective than any PR. Also, who cares about core values beyond predicting future actions? I predict Apple will continue to invest in privacy.
torstenvl 9y ago
People "realized" this when Apple began doing it and honestly told people about it. It is trivially easy for you to turn off location sharing permissions for iPhone Analytics if you so desire. It's right there in Settings. https://m.imgur.com/kldOZ54 https://m.imgur.com/kldOZ54
- on_and_off 9y ago
  >People "realized" this when Apple began doing it and honestly told people about it Do you have a source please ? As I remember it people realized that a lot of data was going to Apple's server (I will try to find the original articles again)
  - thisacctforreal 9y ago
    On the contrary; here's one about Google collecting cell tower data when location services are disabled. https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locations-even-when-location-services-are-disabled/ https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locatio...
  - torstenvl 9y ago
    Are you maybe talking about the location cache?[0] That wasn't to any Apple server, it was a local cache that apps couldn't get unless they used a root exploit; was safe on your backups if they were encrypted; and was discussed in the TOS (Ars's sensationalism about "without your consent" notwithstanding). [0] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/04/how-apple-tracks-your-location-without-your-consent-and-why-it-matters/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/04/how-apple-tracks-you...
hedora 9y ago
They’re the only commercial OS vendor that doesn’t rely on monetizing customer information to turn a profit. (I’m not sure why MS voluntarily pulled itself out of that camp). This is why I switched away from Windows and Android. Open source phones don’t really exist, and out of the box usable desktop Linux laptops are rare, so most people in my boat land on Apple products.

drb91 9y ago

Regardless of how it is motivated, it is more effective than any PR. Also, who cares about core values beyond predicting future actions? I predict Apple will continue to invest in privacy.

torstenvl 9y ago

People "realized" this when Apple began doing it and honestly told people about it. It is trivially easy for you to turn off location sharing permissions for iPhone Analytics if you so desire. It's right there in Settings. https://m.imgur.com/kldOZ54 https://m.imgur.com/kldOZ54

on_and_off 9y ago
>People "realized" this when Apple began doing it and honestly told people about it Do you have a source please ? As I remember it people realized that a lot of data was going to Apple's server (I will try to find the original articles again)
- thisacctforreal 9y ago
  On the contrary; here's one about Google collecting cell tower data when location services are disabled. https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locations-even-when-location-services-are-disabled/ https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locatio...
- torstenvl 9y ago
  Are you maybe talking about the location cache?[0] That wasn't to any Apple server, it was a local cache that apps couldn't get unless they used a root exploit; was safe on your backups if they were encrypted; and was discussed in the TOS (Ars's sensationalism about "without your consent" notwithstanding). [0] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/04/how-apple-tracks-your-location-without-your-consent-and-why-it-matters/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/04/how-apple-tracks-you...

hedora 9y ago

They’re the only commercial OS vendor that doesn’t rely on monetizing customer information to turn a profit. (I’m not sure why MS voluntarily pulled itself out of that camp). This is why I switched away from Windows and Android. Open source phones don’t really exist, and out of the box usable desktop Linux laptops are rare, so most people in my boat land on Apple products.