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If Google is paying what Yahoo was, it's $300 million a year for the default search option on Firefox. Google pays Apple billions to stay the default on the iP

by ftlio 9y ago

If Google is paying what Yahoo was, it's $300 million a year for the default search option on Firefox. Google pays Apple billions to stay the default on the iPhone as well.

windlep 9y ago
Ok, so that makes Mozilla beholden to them how exactly? Is Google calling up Mozilla asking them to do them favors in the product? Are Mozilla engineers being asked to write in special features that Google asks for? Yes, Google provides 90% of the revenue or somewhere around there. But I still haven't heard how exactly Mozilla is doing special favors to Google or is in some way beholden to it. Mozilla has a contract with Google to be the default search provider for a set period of years. I have never heard of anything else being in there that allows Google to make any product requests on Mozilla. How come no one wants to say how exactly Mozilla is doing what Google wants?
- Tloewald 9y ago
  Mozilla’s bizarre stance on H264 coincidentally favored Google’s position. Mozilla’s anti-ad-tracking stuff was all switched off by default. They make their money from ads meaning their incentives parallel those of ad networks. All ad supported products have bad incentives. It’s the same reason HBO and Nerflix produces great TV shows and ad based broadcast and cable networks mainly produce garbage.
mtarnovan 9y ago
So if Google stopped paying Apple, what would they do? Switch to Bing? I'm sure their users would love that </s>
- blisse 9y ago
  Given that Apple had been using Bing for search from 2014-2017, I'm not sure users actually care that much. https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/25/apple-switches-from-bing-to-google-for-siri-web-search-results-on-ios-and-spotlight-on-mac/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/25/apple-switches-from-bing-t...
  - mtarnovan 9y ago
    That article is about Siri web search.

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If Google is paying what Yahoo was, it's $300 million a year for the default search option on Firefox. Google pays Apple billions to stay the default on the iP

by ftlio 9y ago

If Google is paying what Yahoo was, it's $300 million a year for the default search option on Firefox. Google pays Apple billions to stay the default on the iPhone as well.

windlep 9y ago
Ok, so that makes Mozilla beholden to them how exactly? Is Google calling up Mozilla asking them to do them favors in the product? Are Mozilla engineers being asked to write in special features that Google asks for? Yes, Google provides 90% of the revenue or somewhere around there. But I still haven't heard how exactly Mozilla is doing special favors to Google or is in some way beholden to it. Mozilla has a contract with Google to be the default search provider for a set period of years. I have never heard of anything else being in there that allows Google to make any product requests on Mozilla. How come no one wants to say how exactly Mozilla is doing what Google wants?
- Tloewald 9y ago
  Mozilla’s bizarre stance on H264 coincidentally favored Google’s position. Mozilla’s anti-ad-tracking stuff was all switched off by default. They make their money from ads meaning their incentives parallel those of ad networks. All ad supported products have bad incentives. It’s the same reason HBO and Nerflix produces great TV shows and ad based broadcast and cable networks mainly produce garbage.
mtarnovan 9y ago
So if Google stopped paying Apple, what would they do? Switch to Bing? I'm sure their users would love that </s>
- blisse 9y ago
  Given that Apple had been using Bing for search from 2014-2017, I'm not sure users actually care that much. https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/25/apple-switches-from-bing-to-google-for-siri-web-search-results-on-ios-and-spotlight-on-mac/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/25/apple-switches-from-bing-t...
  - mtarnovan 9y ago
    That article is about Siri web search.