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Many larger companies have policies surrounding the paying of ransoms for kidnapping. How is paying this "bounty" any different from paying such a ransom?

by pcoweg 9y ago

jjeaff 9y ago
One encourages people theft. The other encourages data theft only. The latter is generally considered less deplorable.
- QAPereo 9y ago
  Doesn’t that sort of depend on the data? E.G. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-42667451 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-42667451 Details of "hundreds, potentially thousands" of vulnerable people, including children, have been emailed to taxi firms by a council. Just for one example from the headlines.
  - gassius 9y ago
    No, it does not depend on the data, you automata
    - QAPereo 9y ago
      I’m not sure that a bare denial laced with a petty insult really does much for your point.
  - jjeaff 9y ago
    Sort of? Maybe? I mean, a list of people doesn't really encourage kidnapping. Someone could just use a phone book instead. Perhaps cases of witness protection or something. But those are extreme edge cases.
arachnids 9y ago
What was stolen wasn't company financial data, it was driver personal data. The digital version of kidnapping would be the hackers who stole Netflix shows and tried to random the money from them.
ballenf 9y ago
They don't fail to tell law enforcement after paying kidnapping ransoms and don't consider the perp to be law-abiding person. Also if a kidnapper was ever located domestically there'd be about a 0.00001% chance of the person getting a payout.
- tylerhou 9y ago
  It's also against Canadian law to pay ransoms for kidnapping, even if you're a private citizen. (Although you'll be hard pressed to find someone who has been prosecuted for this.) The U.S. has a similar "we don't negotiate with terrorists" policy, but I'm not sure if it's explicitly illegal to send money.
  - ryanlol 9y ago
    >"we don't negotiate with terrorists" A myth.
    - user5994461 9y ago
      Yes, always negotiate. The outcome if worse if you don't. Here's a book from an ex FBI hostage negotiator. It narrates some real case stories from the inside, it's well written and quite interesting. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Stalling-Time-Life-Hostage-Negotiator/dp/1400067251 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Stalling-Time-Life-Hostage-Negotiat...
      - extempore 9y ago
        Refusing to negotiate with terrorists isn’t a strategy designed to produce the best outcome in isolation. It’s to avoid providing incentives for more terrorism, despite the consequences viewed in isolation. So “outcomes are worse if you don’t” is not relevant. Several times as many terrorism incidents with better outcomes on average is not what most people would consider effective anti-terrorism.
        ryanlol 9y ago

Many larger companies have policies surrounding the paying of ransoms for kidnapping. How is paying this "bounty" any different from paying such a ransom?

by pcoweg 9y ago

Many larger companies have policies surrounding the paying of ransoms for kidnapping. How is paying this "bounty" any different from paying such a ransom?

jjeaff 9y ago

One encourages people theft. The other encourages data theft only. The latter is generally considered less deplorable.

QAPereo 9y ago
Doesn’t that sort of depend on the data? E.G. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-42667451 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-42667451 Details of "hundreds, potentially thousands" of vulnerable people, including children, have been emailed to taxi firms by a council. Just for one example from the headlines.
- gassius 9y ago
  No, it does not depend on the data, you automata
  - QAPereo 9y ago
    I’m not sure that a bare denial laced with a petty insult really does much for your point.
- jjeaff 9y ago
  Sort of? Maybe? I mean, a list of people doesn't really encourage kidnapping. Someone could just use a phone book instead. Perhaps cases of witness protection or something. But those are extreme edge cases.

arachnids 9y ago

What was stolen wasn't company financial data, it was driver personal data. The digital version of kidnapping would be the hackers who stole Netflix shows and tried to random the money from them.

ballenf 9y ago

They don't fail to tell law enforcement after paying kidnapping ransoms and don't consider the perp to be law-abiding person. Also if a kidnapper was ever located domestically there'd be about a 0.00001% chance of the person getting a payout.

tylerhou 9y ago
It's also against Canadian law to pay ransoms for kidnapping, even if you're a private citizen. (Although you'll be hard pressed to find someone who has been prosecuted for this.) The U.S. has a similar "we don't negotiate with terrorists" policy, but I'm not sure if it's explicitly illegal to send money.
- ryanlol 9y ago
  >"we don't negotiate with terrorists" A myth.
  - user5994461 9y ago
    Yes, always negotiate. The outcome if worse if you don't. Here's a book from an ex FBI hostage negotiator. It narrates some real case stories from the inside, it's well written and quite interesting. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Stalling-Time-Life-Hostage-Negotiator/dp/1400067251 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Stalling-Time-Life-Hostage-Negotiat...
    - extempore 9y ago
      Refusing to negotiate with terrorists isn’t a strategy designed to produce the best outcome in isolation. It’s to avoid providing incentives for more terrorism, despite the consequences viewed in isolation. So “outcomes are worse if you don’t” is not relevant. Several times as many terrorism incidents with better outcomes on average is not what most people would consider effective anti-terrorism.
      - ryanlol 9y ago