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Interesting. Though at that point why wouldn't you just use Brave ?

by MollyR 9y ago

toyg 9y ago
Brave are just a different kind of evil. They basically want to hijack advertising and tracking so that they get the money rather than google, but it’s the same crap.
- isjamesalive 9y ago
  Where did you get that idea? His stance on SSM aside, Brendan Eich is not a guy I typically associate with evil. The whole raison d'être of Brave is to restore privacy to consumers of advertisements while being fair to publishers. The codebase is all MPL2 on Github. Nothing stopping you or anyone forking it, yada yada.
  - sekh60 9y ago
    Not sure if it is the case, but the original plan was for Brave to replace ads with its own: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/01/mozilla-co-founder-unveils-brave-a-web-browser-that-blocks-ads-by-default/?comments=1 https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/01/mozil...
    - BrendanEich 9y ago
      That is only if publishers and users consent. Both get paid in that case, 70% to publisher, 15% to user. But it's not the private ad model we are trying first. What we're most excited about are opt-in, user-private and -anonymous ads, long form and at low frequency, where you get 70% of the gross revenue. In either case some brand principles: 1. We pay 70% to the ad "inventory owner" -- the person who is giving attention space up for the ad 2. We always pay the user as much as, or more than, we take. This aligns our interests. 3. We never keep user data on any servers, whitelist ads for a fee, let trackers through to target or attribute/confirm. The grand-parent post here is just flat wrong. In no case do we track user data for profit -- we never did and never will. All data in clear stays on your device. We use a ZKP protocol over a VPN for anonymous settlements/confirmations. Our site details all this: https://brave.com/ https://brave.com/.
      - sekh60 9y ago
        Sorry for the slow response. Thanks Brendan for clearing up my misconceptions.
JepZ 9y ago
Better use a safe© solution: curl -sL https://www.mozilla.com | html2pdf | pdfviewer Just kidding ;-)
- sli 9y ago
  That isn't too far from how Stallman browses the internet, I don't think. I know he does some weird, roundabout thing involving email (or used to, anyway).
- CodeWriter23 9y ago
  Future HN Headline: On the exploitation of pdfviewer via html2pdf.
Feniks 9y ago
Add-ons perhaps? Does Brave support those?
- BrendanEich 9y ago
  Yes, chromium extensions. We are curating, as we want to make sure they work correctly and aren't doing anything that goes against our privacy and security principles.
st3fan 9y ago
You think Brave does not send telemetry :-) On iOS it links to Fabric and Crashlytics. Both of those did not pass Mozilla's strict data collection rules. I'd love to use them in our mobile products, but they collect too much data, too much personal identifyable data, and store all of that at a third party. (Owned by Google)

Interesting. Though at that point why wouldn't you just use Brave ?

by MollyR 9y ago

Interesting. Though at that point why wouldn't you just use Brave ?

toyg 9y ago

Brave are just a different kind of evil. They basically want to hijack advertising and tracking so that they get the money rather than google, but it’s the same crap.

isjamesalive 9y ago
Where did you get that idea? His stance on SSM aside, Brendan Eich is not a guy I typically associate with evil. The whole raison d'être of Brave is to restore privacy to consumers of advertisements while being fair to publishers. The codebase is all MPL2 on Github. Nothing stopping you or anyone forking it, yada yada.
- sekh60 9y ago
  Not sure if it is the case, but the original plan was for Brave to replace ads with its own: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/01/mozilla-co-founder-unveils-brave-a-web-browser-that-blocks-ads-by-default/?comments=1 https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/01/mozil...
  - BrendanEich 9y ago
    That is only if publishers and users consent. Both get paid in that case, 70% to publisher, 15% to user. But it's not the private ad model we are trying first. What we're most excited about are opt-in, user-private and -anonymous ads, long form and at low frequency, where you get 70% of the gross revenue. In either case some brand principles: 1. We pay 70% to the ad "inventory owner" -- the person who is giving attention space up for the ad 2. We always pay the user as much as, or more than, we take. This aligns our interests. 3. We never keep user data on any servers, whitelist ads for a fee, let trackers through to target or attribute/confirm. The grand-parent post here is just flat wrong. In no case do we track user data for profit -- we never did and never will. All data in clear stays on your device. We use a ZKP protocol over a VPN for anonymous settlements/confirmations. Our site details all this: https://brave.com/ https://brave.com/.
    - sekh60 9y ago
      Sorry for the slow response. Thanks Brendan for clearing up my misconceptions.

JepZ 9y ago

Better use a safe© solution: curl -sL https://www.mozilla.com | html2pdf | pdfviewer Just kidding ;-)

sli 9y ago
That isn't too far from how Stallman browses the internet, I don't think. I know he does some weird, roundabout thing involving email (or used to, anyway).
CodeWriter23 9y ago
Future HN Headline: On the exploitation of pdfviewer via html2pdf.

Feniks 9y ago

Add-ons perhaps? Does Brave support those?

BrendanEich 9y ago
Yes, chromium extensions. We are curating, as we want to make sure they work correctly and aren't doing anything that goes against our privacy and security principles.

st3fan 9y ago

You think Brave does not send telemetry :-) On iOS it links to Fabric and Crashlytics. Both of those did not pass Mozilla's strict data collection rules. I'd love to use them in our mobile products, but they collect too much data, too much personal identifyable data, and store all of that at a third party. (Owned by Google)