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In the less dense areas the most economical solution for great connectivity is definitely mesh networks. They are even being deployed in very rural areas at a v

by mnzaki 9y ago

In the less dense areas the most economical solution for great connectivity is definitely mesh networks. They are even being deployed in very rural areas at a very low cost! http://owni.fr/files/2011/09/Building_a_Rural_Wireless_Mesh_Network_-_A_DIY_Guide_v0.7_65.pdf http://owni.fr/files/2011/09/Building_a_Rural_Wireless_Mesh_... Obviously there are better (commercial, prepackaged) mesh network solutions

amazon_not 9y ago
Mesh networking hasn't really worked out. WISPs, i.e. Wireless Internet Service Providers, do a great job at serving rural (and other) areas.
- mnzaki 9y ago
  Hmmm I think it's a bit of a stretch to say mesh networking hasn't really worked out. It just hasn't spread far enough yet. Have you heard of CJDNS[1]? or BATMAN[2]? Hyperboria[3] is multiple sizeable deployments of CJDNS. Maybe you heard of Freifunk[4] in Germany, with over 40k access points so far. [1] https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.A.T.M.A.N https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.A.T.M.A.N. [3] http://hyperboria.net/ http://hyperboria.net/ [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freifunk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freifunk
  - amazon_not 9y ago
    Yes, I've heard of them and others, but I think dboreham already put the matter conclusively at rest: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16138402 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16138402
jeffwilcox 9y ago
For buildings (offices, condos, apartments), air fiber solutions are way better and often faster than fiber pulls. 60 GHz microwave, building-to-building if needed, all are in the big cities... why waste time fighting rights to run fiber in dense urban cores?
- amazon_not 9y ago
  Define way better. Wireless solutions have many benefits, but they are in no way better in all aspects than fiber. Fiber has its place, as has wireless.

by mnzaki 9y ago

amazon_not 9y ago

Mesh networking hasn't really worked out. WISPs, i.e. Wireless Internet Service Providers, do a great job at serving rural (and other) areas.

mnzaki 9y ago
Hmmm I think it's a bit of a stretch to say mesh networking hasn't really worked out. It just hasn't spread far enough yet. Have you heard of CJDNS[1]? or BATMAN[2]? Hyperboria[3] is multiple sizeable deployments of CJDNS. Maybe you heard of Freifunk[4] in Germany, with over 40k access points so far. [1] https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.A.T.M.A.N https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.A.T.M.A.N. [3] http://hyperboria.net/ http://hyperboria.net/ [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freifunk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freifunk
- amazon_not 9y ago
  Yes, I've heard of them and others, but I think dboreham already put the matter conclusively at rest: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16138402 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16138402

jeffwilcox 9y ago

For buildings (offices, condos, apartments), air fiber solutions are way better and often faster than fiber pulls. 60 GHz microwave, building-to-building if needed, all are in the big cities... why waste time fighting rights to run fiber in dense urban cores?

amazon_not 9y ago
Define way better. Wireless solutions have many benefits, but they are in no way better in all aspects than fiber. Fiber has its place, as has wireless.