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We are 7 billions people, it's actually a good thing that people have less children. 7 billions people who want a house, a car, a job, that eat meat, that trave
by sunseb 9y ago
We are 7 billions people, it's actually a good thing that people have less children. 7 billions people who want a house, a car, a job, that eat meat, that travel and so: it's not sustainable.
- dqpb 9y agoIt's especially good for the people who do have children to convince others not to.
- patorjk 9y agoMaybe good for the genes, but for the sentient individual, it really depends.
- shiven 9y agoGood for you. Me, on the other hand, would like to see my genome multiply and spread on this planet.
- sunseb 9y agoYeah, but you are so special, so unique: humanity desperately needs your genome. :P
- shiven 9y agoIn my opinion, the only opinion that matters to my life, yes, I’m that unique and the world needs my genome. :P
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- everyone 9y agoSo what is your goal? Your genes are in already loads of people. No matter how many kids you have your specific combination of them will be diluted out of existence in a few generations. .. This is very hard to quantify and I certainly have no data to support this, but; I suppose, in this era of civilization, your actions in life, your influence on society and culture, and memes you propagate, rather than genes, will have a much greater influence.
- rhaps0dy 9y ago"As for me, I'd rather spread memes than genes anyways" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tIwYNioDL8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tIwYNioDL8
- daxorid 9y agoYour sarcasm is noted, but YES, the world does need high-IQ, high-conscientiousness people breeding far more than it needs low-IQ, low-conscientiousness people breeding. Both of those traits are highly heritable, and both of those traits are going to be necessary to get this species off this rock rather than degenerating into watching reruns of "Ow, My Balls!" while energy supplies dwindle and climate change finishes us off.
- sunseb 9y agoThere is this movie about that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygdTuFjZnDc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygdTuFjZnDc
- Fishman343 9y agoApparently modesty isn't that heritable. If you think the world's problems are going to be solved by your one wunderkind, rather than investing time and money in the already considerable number of intelligent people on the planet who are lacking opportunity, then clearly your genes aren't all that valuable. We have enough people and our gene pool isn't diverse enough to make any one person invaluable to the future of the planet.
- shiven 9y agoYeah, well, that’s like, your opinion man. Good thing you don’t get to control who’s genes propagate and who’s don’t. All you can do is prevent your genes from being inherited. And, that is your sole prerogative. Just as spreading my genes, is mine.
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- AlexCoventry 9y agoHow does this ideological drive improve your welfare or happiness?
- shiven 9y agoNot an ideological drive, i.e. not driven primarily by ideology. Driven more by a primitive will for my physicality to survive beyond my physical lifetime.
- AlexCoventry 9y agoSo mostly an attempt to address the fear of death?
- shiven 9y agoNot fear. Just the certainity of death.
- AlexCoventry 9y agoHow does persistence of DNA address death?
- shiven 9y agoDNA = A blueprint for something that makes me unique, and the only known way to travel through time, into the future — in the most sentient form I know of — as a ”not me, but still me” human.
- AlexCoventry 9y agoThere is nothing sentient about DNA.
- gozur88 9y agoIs that ideological or biological?
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- bluedevil2k 9y agoWhy do you say it's not sustainable? It's been sustainable to this point, and technological innovation has always trumped the negative outlooks on population growth in the past (fertilizer for example). Genetic engineering of food, mass produced lab-meat, the innovations will keep coming and the population will keep growing.
- TheOtherHobbes 9y agoLogistic collapse is a real thing. It doesn't go away just because you hope it doesn't apply any more. There are numerous indicators, from antibiotic resistance, to increasingly obvious climate change effects, to dead zones in the oceans, that suggest life will become harder in the future, not easier. I see no rational reason to be confident about humanity's future until the challenges have either been dealt with, or they haven't. That's unlikely to be clear before the middle of the century, at the absolute earliest.
- bluedevil2k 9y agoHumans flourished and grew in population during a freakin' ice age, I don't think the Earth warming by 1 degree is going to drastically alter the steady increase in population growth. Likewise, the population grew tremendously before antibiotics were even invented. There's a level of hubris in every generation, I imagine going back forever, that think "we have it harder than X", when in fact humanity is always progressing and each problem we face is relatively easier to solve than the previous one.
- y4mi 9y agoyou might want to check your facts. Humanity didn't flourish during the ice ages. They almost went extinct. I'll admit that antibiotics impact is hard to really isolate from all the other discoveries we've had since ~1920, but their combined effect is pretty obvious to see no matter which data source you choose to use. finally, nobody says that our lives are worse than that of people from pre/early industrial times. It's probably not even us who are currently writing here that will need to live with the consequences. Its still at least 30-50 years off before anything really bad happens. At least that's what most of the scientists write. I'm not one myself.
- quantumofmalice 9y agoAnd that's how we end up with 20 billion people who aren't intelligent and contentiousness enough to responsibly reproduce.
- millzlane 9y agohttp://www.vhemt.org/ http://www.vhemt.org/
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- threatofrain 9y agoThen we should come up with a system for allowing people to have children at sustainable rates, such as perhaps China's 1 child rule, rather than saying "It's good that those who can't have children can't have children. There are too many already."