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I understand the anger, and I understand people wanting to protest. But why on earth would most people here feel the need to travel with a wiped, or factory-de
by edanm 9y ago
I understand the anger, and I understand people wanting to protest.
But why on earth would most people here feel the need to travel with a wiped, or factory-defaulted device? I mean, if you have something to hide, or sensitive information, sure, I guess. But it's not like they stop and ask for a password from everyone. This probably applies to 1 in thousands, if not tens of thousands of passengers. What on earth do you gain by going through the elaborate precaution of wiping all your devices, for a 1 in 10k chance of someone bothering to look at them, especially when they wouldn't find anything?
It is ok to be both angry, even outraged at a policy, but also not let it impact you in a totally crazy way which doesn't make any sense.
- jnagro 9y ago"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." - Edward Snowden
- kaybe 9y agoIt's also naive. Most of the things I have to hide are other people's secrets. Closeted people's sexual orientations, secret pregnancies and cheating, porn fetisches.. sure, none of these things are a huge problem (though illegal in some countries..), but they are vulnerabilities of the people that shared them with me, and they are not mine to disclose. Currently that probably means to never even mention these things in combination with anything internet (unless it has strong encryption, maybe). edit: mental health issues, drug use, compromising pictures and situations, ...
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- edanm 9y agoI absolutely did not say you shouldn't care about the right to privacy. I said you can care and protest that, while recognizing that you don't necessarily have to go to extreme lengths if you yourself don't need the privacy at this particular moment.
- StavrosK 9y agoWhat can I say here? "You may have nothing to hide now, but this stays in the government records, and if you're liberal-leaning, the way things are going, you may find yourself in trouble in ten years?" Who's going to believe that the US will be hostile to liberals in ten years? Who'd believe a month before the election that Trump would be president? Be cavalier with your personal data, but in my country we say "guard your clothes so you at least have half of them".
- edanm 9y agoThat's a great point actually, I hadn't thought of the material being saved and potentially used later. I stand corrected.
- AFNobody 9y agoI'm not sure what you work on but literally any laptop I'd bring with me while traveling has sensitive materials on them.
- cryptonector 9y agoYou should use a laptop only as a thin client -- a really smart dumb terminal. Put nothing of value on it, then nothing of value can be lost when you lose the laptop (or it gets stolen, or whatever). CBP can probably demand your passwords for your devices. Can they demand your passwords for remote services? Probably not. "Sorry, my employer demands I not reveal my work passwords to anyone, but you can have the password to my laptop, and you can even keep it!"
- vlod 9y ago>What on earth do you gain by going through the elaborate precaution of wiping all your devices Because it's wrong. Does there have to be another reason? Maybe you've forgotten, but the constitution is a pretty cool and forward looking document. Although the 4th ammend. (for some crazy reason) doesn't apply at the border, it's a still a pretty ideal principal to protect you from your government. Read it here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fourth_amendment https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fourth_amendment