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Why should they bother communicating clearly with their customers? Who are those customers going to turn to? AMD? ARM? Between Intel's numerous CPU bugs that t
by gatmne 9y ago
Why should they bother communicating clearly with their customers? Who are those customers going to turn to? AMD? ARM?
Between Intel's numerous CPU bugs that they refused to refund customers for and ME, it's crystal clear what Intel thinks about their customers.
- SteveNuts 9y agoCustomers actually could turn to AMD... their offerings are very competitive right now.
- djsumdog 9y agoI'm thinking of building an AMD dev box. For enterprise consumers, if they're using 1U or blade servers, they could make the choice to switch to AMD for future nodes.
- noir_lord 9y agoI have a Ryzen developer box at work and it is awesome, paired with 32GB of RAM and SSD's it absolutely screams. My next home PC will be Ryzen 2 at some point this year.
- leonroy 9y agoLinux or Windows? I've been doing dev on a large React app recently and the thought of running npm install on Windows makes me anxious about the performance vs my Mac - wondering if Windows has gotten better of late with lots of tiny file I/O.
- sangnoir 9y agoI strongly recommend that you go AMD. I went all-in on AMD - I agonized over the choice between 8-core Ryzen and 8-core ThreadRipper: ended up with a 12-core TR thanks to steep holiday-season discounts that lowered prices one rung down. TR4-socket motherboards a way more expensive compared to Ryzen ones (same-old AM4 socket). I know my box is overkill for my needs now, but upgradeability is a big plus for me; I'm only using 16GB of RAM, but could up that to 128GB, and maybe I might swap out the CPU for a 64-core Zen4+ in 2022. For reference, my last dev box is from 2010[1](!) which I upgraded over time and this strategy has served me well. YMMV. 1. Westmere - 1st Gen 'Intel Core'
- craftyguy 9y agoThey are literally no better.
- paulie_a 9y agoAs an avid fan of AMD going back to the late 80s they have always been a cheaper and better alternative. I am still bitter about rdram in regards to Intel
- readams 9y agoThey really haven't. AMD was so far behind Intel they were in danger of going extinct in data centers. Only very recently have they caught up again to be a credible competitor. This bug and Intel's response is very good timing for AMD though.
- tyingq 9y agoThey have been in a similar position before. It took Intel a while to respond to x64/Opteron. AMD was soaring for while back then.
- xenadu02 9y agoIt was Intel’s anti-competitive and illegal actions that prevented AMD from owning the market during the several year period when Opteron was not only the best CPU but the only 64-bit x86 CPU. Unfortunately the legal process was far too slow and the penalties were a pittance compared to the profits. It benefits all of us to have a competitive market for x86 CPUs.
- lunorian 9y agoAMD and ARM also has vulnerabilities similar to Spectre and Meltdown. For example http://fortune.com/2018/01/11/amd-chips-vulnerable-to-both-variants-of-spectre-security-flaw/ http://fortune.com/2018/01/11/amd-chips-vulnerable-to-both-v... switching to AMD or ARM won't save you.
- discreditable 9y agoAMD is vulnerable to Spectre, but nothing like Meltdown.
- betterunix2 9y agoMany CPUs are vulnerable to Spectre, but Meltdown is much more severe and far easier to exploit. Meltdown is fairly specific to Intel.
- ryanlol 9y ago>Between Intel's numerous CPU bugs that they refused to refund customers for How do you propose this could work? Are side channel vulnerabilities in CPUs really bugs?
- adrianN 9y agoThey promise modern process isolation and fail to deliver it. Their fixes reduce performance significantly. IANAL, but that sounds like a defective product.
- ryanlol 9y ago>They promise modern process isolation and fail to deliver it. Modern process isolation is not flawless, therefore it is not modern process isolation.
- wolfgke 9y ago> They promise modern process isolation and fail to deliver it. Before one makes such a statement, one has to define "modern process isolation" in a very formal way, so that not anybody (neither Intel nor the customer) can redefine the meaning as they desire. I am not aware that Intel gave such a formal definition that they claim to obey to (but perhaps fail). So any operating system can only rely on very weak guarantees for the processor to provide "isolation" (using quotes since I have not defined the term "isolation" formally). Thus the OS has to implement stronger isolation primitives that it desires by itself (by using the weak primitives that the processor provides).
- eximius 9y agoI mean, this one, yea. Speculative execution should not have side effects when wrong because it is Intel silently, sneakily breaking the model of how the CPU works (at least, if you only include the cache in how the PC works and not branch prediction). I would have expected, if I thought to ask, that items were not added to the cache or were removed from the cache if the branch was not retired.
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- darklajid 9y agoThere are issues with this 'laptop' (don't put it on your lap is one), but AMD is a viable option I think.. https://imgur.com/Qsodtxv https://imgur.com/Qsodtxv
- merb 9y ago> There are issues with this 'laptop' (don't put it on your lap is one) ouch, that is definitiv not a good issue... but well my mbp late 2013" gets hot as well.
- metahost 9y agoHave you tried cleaning the dust accumulated inside?
- merb 9y agoI always do.
- darklajid 9y agoHm? The screenshot was merely showing the good parts (8 cores, 16 virtual). It's not getting particularly hot in general, entirely depends on the use case. When I max out the cores or run a game? Quite hot. Otherwise: Mostly fine.. It's just unwieldy, big and heavy, hence not really useful on a lap..
- dogma1138 9y agoWell AMD mobile CPUs are 4 core, so I would assume you bought one of the hackjob DTR's with a desktop CPU or just are using a desktop in a jest :P
- darklajid 9y agoIt's a "hackjob" by Asus Republic of Gamers. Not a home-built thing, but not what you'd call a laptop (portable, battery life) either..
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