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But one could argue that there don't seem to be any difference in consequences for anyone involved, regardless of whether or not the lobster feels pain. It ends

But one could argue that there don't seem to be any difference in consequences for anyone involved, regardless of whether or not the lobster feels pain. It ends up dead and eaten, regardless. Worrying about whether your food feels pain when you kill it is nothing more than human imagination and projection. The only lasting consequence is that you may or may not feel guilty about having caused pain to something that you have killed.

rosser 9y ago
The thing in question being dead isn't a lasting consequence? Or did you mean besides that?
- goldenkey 9y ago
  He is saying that torture is irrelevant if you plan to kill someone. Change the subject from lobster to person. And his argument becomes quite repulsive to most people. Some morals really can't be taught as much as they are obvious to anyone with a full range of emotion. I did respond to his argument anyhow above.
  - Y_Y 9y ago
    Maybe it's because i don't have a "full range of emotion" but I don't believe there are any absolute moral truths, let alone obvious ones. I think it's very dangerous to assume others don't put the save care and effort into living their lives as well as they can, and if they have come up with a different way of doing that (popular or otherwise) that's it's because they're defective or stupid. I don't necessarily agree with the point your arguing against, but it's not wrong on its face.
goldenkey 9y ago
People live and die too. What happens between the two points in time is the subject of a great many stories. Just because something will die does not make it a worthless endeavor to treat it nicely. This nihilism is a cop out-- everything will die, all planets lost, all protons decayed. If your ultimate response to that is to live by no code, no ethics, because all marks will be lost..then be my guest. But be aware the majority of folk will find you to be in great disdain. And if the laws of probability are of any bearing, you may find yourself as the bound victim-- you played a side as if it was no consequence, even advertised openly for it-- and now your team has the knife in your back. But don't despair, you were going to die anyway! The immense pain you are about to endure is of no consequence. Just remember the lobster :-)
- t0mbstone 9y ago
  Perhaps... Or perhaps I choose to not kill and eat animals at all?

rosser 9y ago

The thing in question being dead isn't a lasting consequence? Or did you mean besides that?

goldenkey 9y ago
He is saying that torture is irrelevant if you plan to kill someone. Change the subject from lobster to person. And his argument becomes quite repulsive to most people. Some morals really can't be taught as much as they are obvious to anyone with a full range of emotion. I did respond to his argument anyhow above.
- Y_Y 9y ago
  Maybe it's because i don't have a "full range of emotion" but I don't believe there are any absolute moral truths, let alone obvious ones. I think it's very dangerous to assume others don't put the save care and effort into living their lives as well as they can, and if they have come up with a different way of doing that (popular or otherwise) that's it's because they're defective or stupid. I don't necessarily agree with the point your arguing against, but it's not wrong on its face.

goldenkey 9y ago

People live and die too. What happens between the two points in time is the subject of a great many stories. Just because something will die does not make it a worthless endeavor to treat it nicely. This nihilism is a cop out-- everything will die, all planets lost, all protons decayed. If your ultimate response to that is to live by no code, no ethics, because all marks will be lost..then be my guest. But be aware the majority of folk will find you to be in great disdain. And if the laws of probability are of any bearing, you may find yourself as the bound victim-- you played a side as if it was no consequence, even advertised openly for it-- and now your team has the knife in your back. But don't despair, you were going to die anyway! The immense pain you are about to endure is of no consequence. Just remember the lobster :-)

t0mbstone 9y ago
Perhaps... Or perhaps I choose to not kill and eat animals at all?