I don't think I agree with either of you. :-) To your parent comment, I would say that, when deciding how I should act, it's irrelevant what previous suffering

I don't think I agree with either of you. :-) To your parent comment, I would say that, when deciding how I should act, it's irrelevant what previous suffering nature has brought upon people and lobsters. To you, I'd say that it's irrelevant whether nature had other options. Suppose nature did have other, more gentle, options, but chose to incur suffering nonetheless. Would that make it more legitimate for me to cause suffering too?