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The last President was a Democrat and he sure didn't care about American's Privacy even though he used it on his campaign trail to get elected... Please don't a

by vuln 9y ago

The last President was a Democrat and he sure didn't care about American's Privacy even though he used it on his campaign trail to get elected... Please don't act like _only_ Republicans do this... From my comment down thread >Unfortunately Obama almost quadrupled funding to these agencies[1]. Throughout his administration he allowed the Alphabet boys to try and steal more american's data without warrants (See FBI v Apple and the FBI attempting to get access to your browser history with out warrants)[2][3]. Obama even EXPANDED surveillance on his way out of office[4]. Obama also said he was pro whistle blowers we all know what happened to Chelsea. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/surveillance-in-the-obama-era-1496683972 https://www.wsj.com/articles/surveillance-in-the-obama-era-1... [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/29/apple-vs-fbi-all-you-need-to-know.html https://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/29/apple-vs-fbi-all-you-need-to... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-wants-access-to-internet-browser-history-without-a-warrant-in-terrorism-and-spy-cases/2016/06/06/2d257328-2c0d-11e6-9de3-6e6e7a14000c_story.html?utm_term=.48131f786a8d https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-w... [4] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/01/obama-expands-surveillance-powers-his-way-out https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/01/obama-expands-surveill...

aaronbrethorst 9y ago
Obama also said he was pro whistle blowers we all know what happened to Chelsea. Obama commuted her sentence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning#Commutation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning#Commutation
- vuln 9y ago
  Do you remember how she was treated during her 7 year stay in prison? I am sure it will be easy for her to explain "Violating the Espionage Act, stealing government property, violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, multiple counts of disobeying orders" on her job application. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-manning-cruel-inhuman-treatment-un https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-mannin...
  - noobermin 9y ago
    There is a nuance here. The Dems are better. They are better than republicans on this, but they certainly aren't good enough. That is the unfortunate part. But if you definitely want a better chance for civil liberties, voting for R's will hurt you worse than if you vote for D's, significantly so.
    - CWuestefeld 9y ago
      But if you definitely want a better chance for civil liberties, voting for R's will hurt you worse than if you vote for D's I suppose that depends which civil liberties are more important to you. You'll find that Democrats are pretty awful if you value your right to self-defense, or if you don't think the government should be able to use eminent domain to take your property and give it to a wealthy supporter. Some of the details may be different, but they're both different sides of the same coin. I don't see that one side is significantly better than the other overall.
    - aaronbrethorst 9y ago
      Chelsea Manning seems to agree that the Democrats are better, too. Otherwise, I don't think she'd be running for Senate as one: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/chelsea-manning-files-us-senate-bid-maryland https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/chelsea-manning-files-us-...
lern_too_spel 9y ago
The FBI did not need a warrant to search that phone. The owner (the shooter's employer) gave them permission. Obama didn't expand surveillance on his way out (several surveillance programs stopped under his watch, including both email and phone metadata collection). You're confusing an authorization to share information, which allowed a more thorough investigation into Russian meddling, with authorization to collect new data. Your first link doesn't support your claim that Obama quadrupled funding because that didn't happen. https://fas.org/irp/budget/ https://fas.org/irp/budget/ And we all know that Obama released Manning over the objections of our current President.
- acct1771 9y ago
  You're confusing an excuse with a reason.
IIAOPSW 9y ago
>Please don't act like _only_ Republicans do this... Parent didn't say _only_ Republicans do this. Parent said Republicans do it more. They backed it up with proof (Congress voting record).

by vuln 9y ago

aaronbrethorst 9y ago

Obama also said he was pro whistle blowers we all know what happened to Chelsea. Obama commuted her sentence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning#Commutation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning#Commutation

vuln 9y ago
Do you remember how she was treated during her 7 year stay in prison? I am sure it will be easy for her to explain "Violating the Espionage Act, stealing government property, violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, multiple counts of disobeying orders" on her job application. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-manning-cruel-inhuman-treatment-un https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-mannin...
- noobermin 9y ago
  There is a nuance here. The Dems are better. They are better than republicans on this, but they certainly aren't good enough. That is the unfortunate part. But if you definitely want a better chance for civil liberties, voting for R's will hurt you worse than if you vote for D's, significantly so.
  - CWuestefeld 9y ago
    But if you definitely want a better chance for civil liberties, voting for R's will hurt you worse than if you vote for D's I suppose that depends which civil liberties are more important to you. You'll find that Democrats are pretty awful if you value your right to self-defense, or if you don't think the government should be able to use eminent domain to take your property and give it to a wealthy supporter. Some of the details may be different, but they're both different sides of the same coin. I don't see that one side is significantly better than the other overall.
  - aaronbrethorst 9y ago
    Chelsea Manning seems to agree that the Democrats are better, too. Otherwise, I don't think she'd be running for Senate as one: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/chelsea-manning-files-us-senate-bid-maryland https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/chelsea-manning-files-us-...

lern_too_spel 9y ago

The FBI did not need a warrant to search that phone. The owner (the shooter's employer) gave them permission. Obama didn't expand surveillance on his way out (several surveillance programs stopped under his watch, including both email and phone metadata collection). You're confusing an authorization to share information, which allowed a more thorough investigation into Russian meddling, with authorization to collect new data. Your first link doesn't support your claim that Obama quadrupled funding because that didn't happen. https://fas.org/irp/budget/ https://fas.org/irp/budget/ And we all know that Obama released Manning over the objections of our current President.

acct1771 9y ago
You're confusing an excuse with a reason.

IIAOPSW 9y ago

>Please don't act like _only_ Republicans do this... Parent didn't say _only_ Republicans do this. Parent said Republicans do it more. They backed it up with proof (Congress voting record).