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It's really hard for me to feel bad for them at all. China loves to: - Spy, eavesdrop wherever they can. Forcing vendors to turn over server controls to them.

by urda 9y ago

It's really hard for me to feel bad for them at all. China loves to: - Spy, eavesdrop wherever they can. Forcing vendors to turn over server controls to them. - Constantly duplicate, steal other companies work. - Create unfair advantages of China companies vs US companies. - Can't forget the Great China Firewall! Huawei is untrustworthy anyway, good riddance. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huawei#Espionage_and_security_concerns_in_the_West https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huawei#Espionage_and_security_...

seanp2k2 9y ago
Is ATT really better? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A Does the US not do any of those things? e.g. https://gizmodo.com/the-nsa-actually-intercepted-packages-to-put-backdoors-1491169592 https://gizmodo.com/the-nsa-actually-intercepted-packages-to... Dude called out the US for generally lacking on the mobile front, and I don't think he's wrong. Our mobile broadband speeds are terrible for a developed country largely because of the mobile carrier (and wired broadband) oligopoly. If the CEO of Nokia said the same thing, would it be any more or less valid just because of the policies of the country that they're based in? edit: typo
- Chaebixi 9y ago
  > Is ATT really better? Yes. This is Communist China we're talking about here. They take eavesdropping to the next level. > Dude called out the US for generally lacking on the mobile front, and I don't think he's wrong. Our mobile broadband speeds are terrible for a developed country largely because of the mobile carrier (and wired broadband) oligopoly. You don't know what you're talking about. China's mobile network is a frigging state-owned oligopoly that, the favored carrier of which uses a weird and inferior TD-SCDMA protocol purely for political reasons. We've got it good compared to them. Source: https://www.samizdata.net/2012/06/here-is-the-rac/ https://www.samizdata.net/2012/06/here-is-the-rac/
  - guiltygatorade 9y ago
    > You don't know what you're talking about. Whoa there. That escalated quickly. You're absolutely right about the protocol, but protocol does not a complete wireless ecosystem make. You could have a shitty protocol and happy customers, or a great protocol and upset customers. Also, just because two industries are dominated by oligopolies doesn't mean that consumers in both are suffering the same. One can put the customers' interest slightly ahead of another. It's like having the assumption that authoritarianism automatically means people are suffering. It's just unhealthy and unstable. Every once in a while you can still get benevolent dictators doing something nice ;) Just from personal experience, I know the cell phone fees in China are a lower % of people's incomes than here. The speeds aren't amazing (but that's probably because I rarely browse any domestic sites while in China). But I've also never had a dropped call or lack of signal until I got waaaaaaaay out in the mountains / rural parts of China, where as here I will still occasionally get my calls dropped or have spotty reception near a well-populated suburb.
joshtopher 9y ago
Trusting a Chinese company requires trusting the Chinese government. No thanks

by urda 9y ago

seanp2k2 9y ago

Is ATT really better? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A Does the US not do any of those things? e.g. https://gizmodo.com/the-nsa-actually-intercepted-packages-to-put-backdoors-1491169592 https://gizmodo.com/the-nsa-actually-intercepted-packages-to... Dude called out the US for generally lacking on the mobile front, and I don't think he's wrong. Our mobile broadband speeds are terrible for a developed country largely because of the mobile carrier (and wired broadband) oligopoly. If the CEO of Nokia said the same thing, would it be any more or less valid just because of the policies of the country that they're based in? edit: typo

Chaebixi 9y ago
> Is ATT really better? Yes. This is Communist China we're talking about here. They take eavesdropping to the next level. > Dude called out the US for generally lacking on the mobile front, and I don't think he's wrong. Our mobile broadband speeds are terrible for a developed country largely because of the mobile carrier (and wired broadband) oligopoly. You don't know what you're talking about. China's mobile network is a frigging state-owned oligopoly that, the favored carrier of which uses a weird and inferior TD-SCDMA protocol purely for political reasons. We've got it good compared to them. Source: https://www.samizdata.net/2012/06/here-is-the-rac/ https://www.samizdata.net/2012/06/here-is-the-rac/
- guiltygatorade 9y ago
  > You don't know what you're talking about. Whoa there. That escalated quickly. You're absolutely right about the protocol, but protocol does not a complete wireless ecosystem make. You could have a shitty protocol and happy customers, or a great protocol and upset customers. Also, just because two industries are dominated by oligopolies doesn't mean that consumers in both are suffering the same. One can put the customers' interest slightly ahead of another. It's like having the assumption that authoritarianism automatically means people are suffering. It's just unhealthy and unstable. Every once in a while you can still get benevolent dictators doing something nice ;) Just from personal experience, I know the cell phone fees in China are a lower % of people's incomes than here. The speeds aren't amazing (but that's probably because I rarely browse any domestic sites while in China). But I've also never had a dropped call or lack of signal until I got waaaaaaaay out in the mountains / rural parts of China, where as here I will still occasionally get my calls dropped or have spotty reception near a well-populated suburb.

joshtopher 9y ago

Trusting a Chinese company requires trusting the Chinese government. No thanks