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From what I've seen, Pelosi pretty consistently votes for expansion of state surveillance and other aspects of the security apparatus. So this vote is entirely

From what I've seen, Pelosi pretty consistently votes for expansion of state surveillance and other aspects of the security apparatus. So this vote is entirely in line with her general voting record...

asimpletune 9y ago
Pelosi and Feinstein are the worst when it comes to privacy law.
- bogomipz 9y ago
  Which is something I find interesting since they are both Democrats from San Francisco - Pelosi(represents S.F, the 12th district) and Feinstein represents California but is born and bread S.F. and served as its' Mayor for a bit.
  - ataturk 9y ago
    But they are all big-government statists and they all walk the same way when it comes to invading citizens' privacy. It was a bad law from the start, it will always be a bad law, and it tells you everything you need to know about our current government that they keep renewing this bad law. And no, it's not a question of "if you have nothing to hide.." it's simple, basic reality--you are not free in any sense of the word if you have East-German type surveillance up your ass 24/7.
  - stevenwoo 9y ago
    Personally I think both of them have been in office too long, what was progressive when they first took office is probably different from what it is now and the last town halls for both Feinstein and Pelosi were striking for how ossified and tone deaf they sounded.
    - bogomipz 9y ago
      I completely agree. They are career politicians and both completely out touch. There are 79 members of the US Congress who have been there for at least 20 years[1] And if they weren't enough, the age average of them is fairly close to retirement age: "The average age of Members of the House at the beginning of the 114th Congress was 57.0 years; of Senators, 61.0 years."[2] [1] https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-18/79-members-congress-have-been-office-least-20-years https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-18/79-members-congres... [2] https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43869.pdf https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43869.pdf
  - inferiorhuman 9y ago
    Feinstein was not a liberal (or a particularly) mayor. She profited handsomely from the assassinations of Milk and Moscone though. Then again, San Francisco is not a particularly liberal place even by Bay Area standards.
    - bogomipz 9y ago
      I think she was always seen as centrist. I agree the Milk/Moscone tragedy helped her career but she was also elected Mayor after that in 80's. And S.F in the 1980s was very much a liberal place.
      - inferiorhuman 9y ago
        > And S.F in the 1980s was very much a liberal place. Ehhh. Richmond and Oakland, yes. Berkeley? No. San Francisco? No.

asimpletune 9y ago

Pelosi and Feinstein are the worst when it comes to privacy law.

bogomipz 9y ago
Which is something I find interesting since they are both Democrats from San Francisco - Pelosi(represents S.F, the 12th district) and Feinstein represents California but is born and bread S.F. and served as its' Mayor for a bit.
- ataturk 9y ago
  But they are all big-government statists and they all walk the same way when it comes to invading citizens' privacy. It was a bad law from the start, it will always be a bad law, and it tells you everything you need to know about our current government that they keep renewing this bad law. And no, it's not a question of "if you have nothing to hide.." it's simple, basic reality--you are not free in any sense of the word if you have East-German type surveillance up your ass 24/7.
- stevenwoo 9y ago
  Personally I think both of them have been in office too long, what was progressive when they first took office is probably different from what it is now and the last town halls for both Feinstein and Pelosi were striking for how ossified and tone deaf they sounded.
  - bogomipz 9y ago
    I completely agree. They are career politicians and both completely out touch. There are 79 members of the US Congress who have been there for at least 20 years[1] And if they weren't enough, the age average of them is fairly close to retirement age: "The average age of Members of the House at the beginning of the 114th Congress was 57.0 years; of Senators, 61.0 years."[2] [1] https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-18/79-members-congress-have-been-office-least-20-years https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-18/79-members-congres... [2] https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43869.pdf https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43869.pdf
- inferiorhuman 9y ago
  Feinstein was not a liberal (or a particularly) mayor. She profited handsomely from the assassinations of Milk and Moscone though. Then again, San Francisco is not a particularly liberal place even by Bay Area standards.
  - bogomipz 9y ago
    I think she was always seen as centrist. I agree the Milk/Moscone tragedy helped her career but she was also elected Mayor after that in 80's. And S.F in the 1980s was very much a liberal place.
    - inferiorhuman 9y ago
      > And S.F in the 1980s was very much a liberal place. Ehhh. Richmond and Oakland, yes. Berkeley? No. San Francisco? No.