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Are you implying that brown and black people don't value education? I think it's more about the allocation and proper use of resources. Anecdotal but a friend o

Are you implying that brown and black people don't value education? I think it's more about the allocation and proper use of resources. Anecdotal but a friend of mine was stationed in rural Arkansas by Teach For America and argued that the conditions/performance at the all white schools were some of the worst she'd ever seen.

omegaworks 9y ago
>Are you implying that brown and black people don't value education? He is. It's incredibly ignorant and hateful to ascribe to the individual problems caused by systemic divestment from black and brown communities. We have to fight for every cent, our teachers are not only expected to be social workers, they're also held to different standards in ways that they wouldn't be if they were teaching in wealthy white districts. From the article: "Whether channeling more money to schools in underserved communities will help improve the quality of education is a subject of academic debate." This isn't a question in countries where public schools are succeeding, it's obvious. Public schools in France have enough to serve their kids multi-course meals. Public schools in Sweden have small classrooms. Everyone gets enough to make their kids thrive. Not so in America, where the primary source of funding is local property taxes. "simply increasing the salaries of all teachers in a high-need school district won’t have as much of an impact as identifying high-performing teachers and increasing their salaries." This is exactly the kind of comparative stack-rank culture that breeds toxicity in a workplace. Why should high-need school districts have differing salary standards?
bluthru 9y ago
>Anecdotal but Also anecdotal: my grandfather (along with many other rural students in the country) went to school in a one-room schoolhouse. The funding was extremely limited. This didn't hold back their educational performance. It's the Heritage Foundation so obviously it has an angle to push, but here's a study about school funding and performance: http://www.heritage.org/education/report/does-spending-more-education-improve-academic-achievement http://www.heritage.org/education/report/does-spending-more-...
- Helmet 9y ago
  That's because the link between funding and performance is tenuous at best. You are going to get down-voted by liberals because you're starting to engage in "wrongthink", but, deep down, they understand full well the issues and behavioral problems that are present in these public schools, which is why they will NOT send their kids to these schools, instead opting to self-segregate and send their kids to private schools - while at the same time bashing conservatives who wish to do the same. This is extremely prevalent in diverse urban areas dominated by liberals, such as New York City.
  - bluthru 9y ago
    Someone above posted this: "My city the segergation is increased through Private and Charter Schools. One charter school has 93% Latino population. Another Private School near me has over 90% Caucasian population." These are the people who preach that "diversity is our strength" but will spend a LOT of money to avoid this "strength".
  - lloyd-christmas 9y ago
    > which is why they will NOT send their kids to these schools, instead opting to self-segregate and send their kids to private schools Blue states still have better public schools than red states https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/articles/how-states-compare https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/articles/... So even if they are sending them to private schools, the public schools that "they won't send them to" STILL do better than the public schools in conservative states. > while at the same time bashing conservatives who wish to do the same. Those wealthy liberals pay for both the local public school and the private school. They aren't exempt from taxes because they send their kids to private school. This is why they bash conservatives, for their desire to defund public education. > That's because the link between funding and performance is tenuous at best So if funding is irrelevant and liberal states provide better education, what's the next post-rationalization to justify downvotes for unsubstantiated political claims?
    - bluthru 9y ago
LyndsySimon 9y ago
I'm curious - where was your friend sent? I grew up (and recently moved back to) Boone County, in north-central Arkansas. My school experience was... suboptimal.

omegaworks 9y ago

>Are you implying that brown and black people don't value education? He is. It's incredibly ignorant and hateful to ascribe to the individual problems caused by systemic divestment from black and brown communities. We have to fight for every cent, our teachers are not only expected to be social workers, they're also held to different standards in ways that they wouldn't be if they were teaching in wealthy white districts. From the article: "Whether channeling more money to schools in underserved communities will help improve the quality of education is a subject of academic debate." This isn't a question in countries where public schools are succeeding, it's obvious. Public schools in France have enough to serve their kids multi-course meals. Public schools in Sweden have small classrooms. Everyone gets enough to make their kids thrive. Not so in America, where the primary source of funding is local property taxes. "simply increasing the salaries of all teachers in a high-need school district won’t have as much of an impact as identifying high-performing teachers and increasing their salaries." This is exactly the kind of comparative stack-rank culture that breeds toxicity in a workplace. Why should high-need school districts have differing salary standards?

bluthru 9y ago

>Anecdotal but Also anecdotal: my grandfather (along with many other rural students in the country) went to school in a one-room schoolhouse. The funding was extremely limited. This didn't hold back their educational performance. It's the Heritage Foundation so obviously it has an angle to push, but here's a study about school funding and performance: http://www.heritage.org/education/report/does-spending-more-education-improve-academic-achievement http://www.heritage.org/education/report/does-spending-more-...

Helmet 9y ago
That's because the link between funding and performance is tenuous at best. You are going to get down-voted by liberals because you're starting to engage in "wrongthink", but, deep down, they understand full well the issues and behavioral problems that are present in these public schools, which is why they will NOT send their kids to these schools, instead opting to self-segregate and send their kids to private schools - while at the same time bashing conservatives who wish to do the same. This is extremely prevalent in diverse urban areas dominated by liberals, such as New York City.
- bluthru 9y ago
  Someone above posted this: "My city the segergation is increased through Private and Charter Schools. One charter school has 93% Latino population. Another Private School near me has over 90% Caucasian population." These are the people who preach that "diversity is our strength" but will spend a LOT of money to avoid this "strength".
- lloyd-christmas 9y ago
  > which is why they will NOT send their kids to these schools, instead opting to self-segregate and send their kids to private schools Blue states still have better public schools than red states https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/articles/how-states-compare https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/articles/... So even if they are sending them to private schools, the public schools that "they won't send them to" STILL do better than the public schools in conservative states. > while at the same time bashing conservatives who wish to do the same. Those wealthy liberals pay for both the local public school and the private school. They aren't exempt from taxes because they send their kids to private school. This is why they bash conservatives, for their desire to defund public education. > That's because the link between funding and performance is tenuous at best So if funding is irrelevant and liberal states provide better education, what's the next post-rationalization to justify downvotes for unsubstantiated political claims?
  - bluthru 9y ago

LyndsySimon 9y ago

I'm curious - where was your friend sent? I grew up (and recently moved back to) Boone County, in north-central Arkansas. My school experience was... suboptimal.