I dunno, to me these don't look like anything to sneeze at: http://www.flypfc.com/index.php?i_id=29 http://www.flypfc.com/index.php?i_id=29 http://www.fidelit

I dunno, to me these don't look like anything to sneeze at: http://www.flypfc.com/index.php?i_id=29 http://www.flypfc.com/index.php?i_id=29 http://www.fidelityflight.com/newmotion.htm http://www.fidelityflight.com/newmotion.htm http://rkaplan.hypermart.net/simulator.html http://rkaplan.hypermart.net/simulator.html Though you are right in that these are still only currently certified as FTDs, you can still fulfill, for instance, up to 50 hours of seat time for your ATP certificate. See FAR 61.159(a)(3)(i)