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Scrolling through those screencaps, I'd get up and walk out if I saw that on the internal slack where I work. It's one thing for someone to post it, it's anothe

by lykr0n 9y ago

Scrolling through those screencaps, I'd get up and walk out if I saw that on the internal slack where I work. It's one thing for someone to post it, it's another for HR to condone it by not policing it. EDIT. Not commenting on it, but https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTCqvlRXUAILVUL.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTCqvlRXUAILVUL.jpg:large . The fact that there is open discussion on terroristic activities, and the fact that it's not removed over the course of 24 hours. What in the fuck?

xiphias 9y ago
Google was not like this before, it started changing to 100% PC after Eric Schmidt was demoted from CEO position by Larry. I would be much more interested in what Sergey would have done as CEO, as he was always much more open, interesting and fun person.
vm 9y ago
This reminds me of the awful investment banker / hedge fund emails that came out after the financial crisis. Feels like tech is replacing Wall Street, a in bad way.
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avs733 9y ago
Thats a lot of commenting for not commenting on the screenshot. Can you elaborate on what of that is the discussion of terroristic activites? Because that seems to be quiet a loose reading of the screenshot.
- lykr0n 9y ago
  "military or war effort" ... "I won't say violence has not place..." ... and then discussion on how to protect your PII. Maybe discussion is too harsh a word, but there is a very clear (to me) "I know what you want to do (I do as well), so here is how to go down that road." It reads as something ISIS (or any extremist group) would do to lure people to fight for the cause. Also, with the screenshot being capped off by saying "the government can subpoena this at any time" is a clear indication that they know what they are talking about and how it could be read. If I changed it up to say something like "I've never been apart of a military or war effort..." and then someone follows up with "Get in touch with your local Army of God (Christian terrorist group in the US)..." it doesn't take much reading between the lines.
  - avs733 9y ago
    yes, you are correct, if you change the words in a sentence you change the meaning of it. The rest of it...not so much. There is a discussion of a belief "I won't say violence has no place" There is not a discussion of 'The use of intentional, indiscriminate violence as a means to create fear to achieve political religious, or ideological aims'
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    - lykr0n 9y ago
      I see what I said and what the author said as the same thing. You can read it in many different ways, I'm just making the point that the whole thread of discussion should not be tolerated in a corporate environment. Maybe the first part could be considered acceptable but towards the end it seems that they know what they are discussing. And even the fact that the first reply is not "Everything is not so bad, if you feel disheartened, there are numerous local community organization blah blah blah" but "get in touch with your local antifa" says a lot.
    - barrkel 9y ago
      You need to be really, really careful that you aren't condoning fascistic behaviour just because you agree with its motives and ends. Fascism is fun: its appeal has the same root as teamwork. Joining up with like-minded people to counter a common enemy, and prioritizing ends over means, is how you get to fascism. A handy rule of thumb is to flip the motivation in a sentence to its ideological opposite, preferably one that you don't like. If the meaning of the sentence is then abhorrent, rather than acceptable dissent, it's probably a couple of steps too far even when you agree with the sentiment.

by lykr0n 9y ago

xiphias 9y ago

Google was not like this before, it started changing to 100% PC after Eric Schmidt was demoted from CEO position by Larry. I would be much more interested in what Sergey would have done as CEO, as he was always much more open, interesting and fun person.

vm 9y ago

This reminds me of the awful investment banker / hedge fund emails that came out after the financial crisis. Feels like tech is replacing Wall Street, a in bad way.

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avs733 9y ago

Thats a lot of commenting for not commenting on the screenshot. Can you elaborate on what of that is the discussion of terroristic activites? Because that seems to be quiet a loose reading of the screenshot.

lykr0n 9y ago
"military or war effort" ... "I won't say violence has not place..." ... and then discussion on how to protect your PII. Maybe discussion is too harsh a word, but there is a very clear (to me) "I know what you want to do (I do as well), so here is how to go down that road." It reads as something ISIS (or any extremist group) would do to lure people to fight for the cause. Also, with the screenshot being capped off by saying "the government can subpoena this at any time" is a clear indication that they know what they are talking about and how it could be read. If I changed it up to say something like "I've never been apart of a military or war effort..." and then someone follows up with "Get in touch with your local Army of God (Christian terrorist group in the US)..." it doesn't take much reading between the lines.
- avs733 9y ago
  yes, you are correct, if you change the words in a sentence you change the meaning of it. The rest of it...not so much. There is a discussion of a belief "I won't say violence has no place" There is not a discussion of 'The use of intentional, indiscriminate violence as a means to create fear to achieve political religious, or ideological aims'
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  - lykr0n 9y ago
    I see what I said and what the author said as the same thing. You can read it in many different ways, I'm just making the point that the whole thread of discussion should not be tolerated in a corporate environment. Maybe the first part could be considered acceptable but towards the end it seems that they know what they are discussing. And even the fact that the first reply is not "Everything is not so bad, if you feel disheartened, there are numerous local community organization blah blah blah" but "get in touch with your local antifa" says a lot.
  - barrkel 9y ago
    You need to be really, really careful that you aren't condoning fascistic behaviour just because you agree with its motives and ends. Fascism is fun: its appeal has the same root as teamwork. Joining up with like-minded people to counter a common enemy, and prioritizing ends over means, is how you get to fascism. A handy rule of thumb is to flip the motivation in a sentence to its ideological opposite, preferably one that you don't like. If the meaning of the sentence is then abhorrent, rather than acceptable dissent, it's probably a couple of steps too far even when you agree with the sentiment.