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Were they blocking searches with warrants or warrantless raids? And was what they did illegal? I read the article but left unclear on both of these key question

Were they blocking searches with warrants or warrantless raids? And was what they did illegal? I read the article but left unclear on both of these key questions.

grasshopperpurp 9y ago
>In May 2015 about 10 investigators for the Quebec tax authority burst into Uber Technologies Inc.’s office in Montreal. The authorities believed Uber had violated tax laws and had a warrant to collect evidence.
SilasX 9y ago
Per my comment from a while ago, I think what they did was illegal. [1] If they had simply kicked off users who were likely cops, that would have been legal. That’s what (some) biker bars do. But they went beyond that and actively misled such users in a way that wasted their time. That amounts to lying to investigators and is illegal. You can kick people out of your bar for giving off a cop vibe. You can’t keep them around and feed them fake intel on drug deals so they waste their time. You can pull your shade down to keep people from looking in your window. You can’t make shadow puppets of a homicide with the intent to get the cop outside to investigate a spurious lead. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14270214 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14270214
- freeone3000 9y ago
  Why can't you keep them around and feed them fake intel on drug deals so they waste their time?
- BearGoesChirp 9y ago
  >You can’t keep them around and feed them fake intel on drug deals so they waste their time. Any relevant case law on this? Lying to the police isn't allowed, but lying to some new guy at the bar is legal, regardless of your suspicions of who the new guy is.
  - SilasX 9y ago
    I don't, just basing it on the comments in the previous megathreads [1]. But any kind of prohibition on "lying to the police" is going to be bound up with the issue of the defendant's state of mind. They're guilty if they believed e.g. a particular man was a cop and were deceiving him on that basis. And it looks like that applies here and was what Uber was doing. Believing that you're merely lying to "the new guy" or "an abusive user" isn't enough, as you note, so that part of the program (send spurious data to likely bots) wasn't illegal. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14269708 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14269708 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13785969 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13785969

Were they blocking searches with warrants or warrantless raids? And was what they did illegal? I read the article but left unclear on both of these key questions.

grasshopperpurp 9y ago

>In May 2015 about 10 investigators for the Quebec tax authority burst into Uber Technologies Inc.’s office in Montreal. The authorities believed Uber had violated tax laws and had a warrant to collect evidence.

SilasX 9y ago

Per my comment from a while ago, I think what they did was illegal. [1] If they had simply kicked off users who were likely cops, that would have been legal. That’s what (some) biker bars do. But they went beyond that and actively misled such users in a way that wasted their time. That amounts to lying to investigators and is illegal. You can kick people out of your bar for giving off a cop vibe. You can’t keep them around and feed them fake intel on drug deals so they waste their time. You can pull your shade down to keep people from looking in your window. You can’t make shadow puppets of a homicide with the intent to get the cop outside to investigate a spurious lead. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14270214 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14270214

freeone3000 9y ago
Why can't you keep them around and feed them fake intel on drug deals so they waste their time?
BearGoesChirp 9y ago
>You can’t keep them around and feed them fake intel on drug deals so they waste their time. Any relevant case law on this? Lying to the police isn't allowed, but lying to some new guy at the bar is legal, regardless of your suspicions of who the new guy is.
- SilasX 9y ago
  I don't, just basing it on the comments in the previous megathreads [1]. But any kind of prohibition on "lying to the police" is going to be bound up with the issue of the defendant's state of mind. They're guilty if they believed e.g. a particular man was a cop and were deceiving him on that basis. And it looks like that applies here and was what Uber was doing. Believing that you're merely lying to "the new guy" or "an abusive user" isn't enough, as you note, so that part of the program (send spurious data to likely bots) wasn't illegal. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14269708 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14269708 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13785969 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13785969