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> That’s only how it works in right-wing propaganda. No, it's not. That's how it looks to everyone who has ever been on the receiving end of a bureaucratic nig

> That’s only how it works in right-wing propaganda. No, it's not. That's how it looks to everyone who has ever been on the receiving end of a bureaucratic nightmare. I believe part of the reason the Democrats have done so poorly in the last few years is because middle class America wound up on the wrong side of Obamacare and it woke them up. > In terms more familiar to HN, your question is like asking why your company needs an IT department when you can hire consultants. No, it's like your company hiring an whole new, separate IT department, with minimal oversight, every time they hire a new contractor, instead of training up the existing IT team.

aaronbrethorst 9y ago
That's weird, polling data shows a +12 point spread on favorability numbers for the ACA[1]. What's interesting to me is that the ACA never had majority favorability until repeal was legitimately on the table. And then all of a sudden people "woke...up" as you put it to the idea that their 20-something year old children could lose health insurance, or a person who had cancer years ago could be denied coverage, or that an underemployed person in Kentucky could lose their Medicaid-based health insurance. Let's be clear: the ACA has a lot of problems. Some of these, like spiking premiums this year, are due to the actions of the current Congress and President. Some of these are due to a lack of real competition, which may have been addressed if the law had included a public option buy-in[2]. Some of these, like shitty exchange websites, are a real problem. [1] https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_dem... [2] Blame Joe Lieberman for this: https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/02/16/16766/elimination-public-option-threw-consumers-insurance-wolves https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/02/16/16766/elimination...
- fortythirteen 9y ago
  > polling data shows a +12 point spread on favorability numbers for the ACA Here's the page where they show all the polls used to collect this "summary"[0]. Interesting that the vast majority of them show "against" strongly winning. The PPD poll giving +18 for ACA shows that 49% want to impeach Trump, but conspicuously doesn't ask party affiliation. That's a huge red flag of a stacked poll. [0] https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html#polls https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_dem...
  - aaronbrethorst 9y ago
    Here, let me quote myself: What's interesting to me is that the ACA never had majority favorability until repeal was legitimately on the table. Also, best of luck with your poll unskewing. I had thought that the legitimacy of that ship had sailed all the way back in 2012. Guess not.
    - fortythirteen 9y ago
      So you actually believe that 49% of Americans actively want Trump impeached now?
      - aaronbrethorst 9y ago
        Why are you fixated on PPP? You're better off looking at aggregate polling data. That's what I'm talking about with the ACA.
        fortythirteen 9y ago
        > Why are you fixated on PPP? For one, it's the latest poll, and you're fixated on a recent change in opinion on ACA. Secondly, an aggregate of what? Once you have bad data in the mix, especially one that skews +18 in one direction, your aggregate is skewed as well. And that aggregate has half a dozen PDP polls in it alone.
        aaronbrethorst 9y ago
        Again: What's interesting to me is that the ACA never had majority favorability until repeal was legitimately on the table. Have a nice day.
        fortythirteen 9y ago
        And again: your supposition that it has majority favorability is based on polls that are suspect. Have a good one.

aaronbrethorst 9y ago

That's weird, polling data shows a +12 point spread on favorability numbers for the ACA[1]. What's interesting to me is that the ACA never had majority favorability until repeal was legitimately on the table. And then all of a sudden people "woke...up" as you put it to the idea that their 20-something year old children could lose health insurance, or a person who had cancer years ago could be denied coverage, or that an underemployed person in Kentucky could lose their Medicaid-based health insurance. Let's be clear: the ACA has a lot of problems. Some of these, like spiking premiums this year, are due to the actions of the current Congress and President. Some of these are due to a lack of real competition, which may have been addressed if the law had included a public option buy-in[2]. Some of these, like shitty exchange websites, are a real problem. [1] https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_dem... [2] Blame Joe Lieberman for this: https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/02/16/16766/elimination-public-option-threw-consumers-insurance-wolves https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/02/16/16766/elimination...

fortythirteen 9y ago
> polling data shows a +12 point spread on favorability numbers for the ACA Here's the page where they show all the polls used to collect this "summary"[0]. Interesting that the vast majority of them show "against" strongly winning. The PPD poll giving +18 for ACA shows that 49% want to impeach Trump, but conspicuously doesn't ask party affiliation. That's a huge red flag of a stacked poll. [0] https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html#polls https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_dem...
- aaronbrethorst 9y ago
  Here, let me quote myself: What's interesting to me is that the ACA never had majority favorability until repeal was legitimately on the table. Also, best of luck with your poll unskewing. I had thought that the legitimacy of that ship had sailed all the way back in 2012. Guess not.
  - fortythirteen 9y ago
    So you actually believe that 49% of Americans actively want Trump impeached now?
    - aaronbrethorst 9y ago
      Why are you fixated on PPP? You're better off looking at aggregate polling data. That's what I'm talking about with the ACA.
      - fortythirteen 9y ago
        > Why are you fixated on PPP? For one, it's the latest poll, and you're fixated on a recent change in opinion on ACA. Secondly, an aggregate of what? Once you have bad data in the mix, especially one that skews +18 in one direction, your aggregate is skewed as well. And that aggregate has half a dozen PDP polls in it alone.
        aaronbrethorst 9y ago
        Again: What's interesting to me is that the ACA never had majority favorability until repeal was legitimately on the table. Have a nice day.
        fortythirteen 9y ago
        And again: your supposition that it has majority favorability is based on polls that are suspect. Have a good one.