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As an immigrant to the UK from not-the-EU, I can tell you that Mrs. May's time at the home office has turned UK immigration policy into a clusterfuck that works

As an immigrant to the UK from not-the-EU, I can tell you that Mrs. May's time at the home office has turned UK immigration policy into a clusterfuck that works against the interests of the country and forces smart people who the UK didn't have to pay to educate (from Australasia in my experience) to leave, despite them having good jobs and paying tax here.

kypro 9y ago
Yeah, non-EU immigrants do get fucked over, because the immigration system is basically racially preferenced to European immigrants. Non-EU immigrants have to get through countless barriers those coming from the EU don't.
- raverbashing 9y ago
  Skilled workers from non-EU country don't have many difficulties getting a work visa to the UK. And unskilled work doesn't usually compete with skilled work. Every selection is biased in one way or the other, there's no purely fair way of doing that.
  - kypro 9y ago
    > Skilled workers from non-EU country don't have many difficulties getting a work visa to the UK. Oh? That's interesting. There are people in this comment thread claiming that work visa are really awful and restrictive. > And unskilled work doesn't usually compete with skilled work. Well, no, but we are forced to accept a ton of unskilled (and unneeded) immigration from the EU which means we have to restrict the total amount of potentially needed skilled work from non-EU countries. > Every selection is biased in one way or the other, there's no purely fair way of doing that. Is an immigration preference people of certain nationalises fair? Can I assume you agree with Trumps immigration bans by any chance?
    - raverbashing 9y ago
      > There are people in this comment thread claiming that work visa are really awful and restrictive. I'm not sure about their experience and my knowledge is 3rd party, still, YMMV. > Is an immigration preference people of certain nationalities fair? Not really, but no country does this fairly, and they're not wrong (within a limit). Key word: immigration. Is it fair that Canadians don't need a visa to visit the US but Mexicans do? No, but they're not wrong and Mexico is free to require a visa as well. > Can I assume you agree with Trumps immigration bans by any chance? The travel ban, not the immigration ban. And no, I don't agree that people with a valid visa (or even permanent residents, which was what the Supreme Court shot down first) shouldn't be allowed to visit (unless there's a specific issue).
te_chris 9y ago
@kypro It's not 'racially preferenced'. The UK is a member of a club of nations with certain rules, which it seems to be ignorant of - such as the ability to restrict free movement within the rules of FM. The way the UK treats outside EU migrants is down to the hateful politics of the daily mail et al and has no basis in fact - look at Germany and the Blue Card for a contrasting example. FWIW, I voted remain (as a Commonwealth citizen, ridiculously, I could vote, but UK citizens in the EU couldn't, despite the referendum affecting them greatly!)
- kypro 9y ago
  It's not racially preferenced in the same way voter ID, or Trump's immigration ban of "high risk" countries isn't racial preferenced. It's effect is a racially preferenced immigration system for not good reason. There are many talented people from non-EU countries which the UK doesn't take because of unskilled EU immigration taking preference.
  - ben_w 9y ago
    Why do you believe that low-skilled workers prevent high-skilled workers from migrating to the UK? Surely it should be the other way around because the high-skilled workers would get well-paid jobs that would price low-skilled workers out of the UK’s dysfunctional housing market?

kypro 9y ago

Yeah, non-EU immigrants do get fucked over, because the immigration system is basically racially preferenced to European immigrants. Non-EU immigrants have to get through countless barriers those coming from the EU don't.

raverbashing 9y ago
Skilled workers from non-EU country don't have many difficulties getting a work visa to the UK. And unskilled work doesn't usually compete with skilled work. Every selection is biased in one way or the other, there's no purely fair way of doing that.
- kypro 9y ago
  > Skilled workers from non-EU country don't have many difficulties getting a work visa to the UK. Oh? That's interesting. There are people in this comment thread claiming that work visa are really awful and restrictive. > And unskilled work doesn't usually compete with skilled work. Well, no, but we are forced to accept a ton of unskilled (and unneeded) immigration from the EU which means we have to restrict the total amount of potentially needed skilled work from non-EU countries. > Every selection is biased in one way or the other, there's no purely fair way of doing that. Is an immigration preference people of certain nationalises fair? Can I assume you agree with Trumps immigration bans by any chance?
  - raverbashing 9y ago
    > There are people in this comment thread claiming that work visa are really awful and restrictive. I'm not sure about their experience and my knowledge is 3rd party, still, YMMV. > Is an immigration preference people of certain nationalities fair? Not really, but no country does this fairly, and they're not wrong (within a limit). Key word: immigration. Is it fair that Canadians don't need a visa to visit the US but Mexicans do? No, but they're not wrong and Mexico is free to require a visa as well. > Can I assume you agree with Trumps immigration bans by any chance? The travel ban, not the immigration ban. And no, I don't agree that people with a valid visa (or even permanent residents, which was what the Supreme Court shot down first) shouldn't be allowed to visit (unless there's a specific issue).

te_chris 9y ago

@kypro It's not 'racially preferenced'. The UK is a member of a club of nations with certain rules, which it seems to be ignorant of - such as the ability to restrict free movement within the rules of FM. The way the UK treats outside EU migrants is down to the hateful politics of the daily mail et al and has no basis in fact - look at Germany and the Blue Card for a contrasting example. FWIW, I voted remain (as a Commonwealth citizen, ridiculously, I could vote, but UK citizens in the EU couldn't, despite the referendum affecting them greatly!)

kypro 9y ago
It's not racially preferenced in the same way voter ID, or Trump's immigration ban of "high risk" countries isn't racial preferenced. It's effect is a racially preferenced immigration system for not good reason. There are many talented people from non-EU countries which the UK doesn't take because of unskilled EU immigration taking preference.
- ben_w 9y ago
  Why do you believe that low-skilled workers prevent high-skilled workers from migrating to the UK? Surely it should be the other way around because the high-skilled workers would get well-paid jobs that would price low-skilled workers out of the UK’s dysfunctional housing market?