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For people that don’t follow the YouTube community, YT has a terrible track record of not treating creators equally, and demonetizing a ton of creators for litt

by Tehnix 9y ago

For people that don’t follow the YouTube community, YT has a terrible track record of not treating creators equally, and demonetizing a ton of creators for little to no reason, while some of their other creators, namely Jake and Logan Paul could violate these same guidelines that the rest were slapped over the wrist with. This has been a long time under way, and while I don’t particularly think they should drop shows like they stupidly did with Pewdiepie, there definitely had to be some backlash for posting a video of a dead guy, when they were striking against videoes talking about that video, for being in violation. It’s also worth noting, that YouTube were not the ones taking down the video, Logan did this himself after the backlash, and that they waited so long is rather indicative of them trying to see where the wind blows and if they could get away with it. Honestly, YT has been writing the book on “how to shit on your creators” for 2017 and more, but they might finally be setting back on a better track.

aphextron 9y ago
We are seeing the rediscovery of the network monopoly business model in these online giants like YouTube, only without the former safeguards of production contracts that television and film have developed. It's no different than the "uberization" of the rest of our economy over the past 10 years. All of the marginal costs and inefficiencies involved with running a business have been externalized to the employees and customers of that business because there is no other option for them. Those in control of the distribution will always have final say. Only now they have the power to make arbitrary rulings with zero means of recourse by those affected, short of mass organization.
l33tbro 9y ago
Downvote me to coach, but I've never understood why people assert that Youtube owes their users advertising dollars, where other social media platforms are exempt. Youtube has for years run at a loss, providing free high-quality video streaming with no bandwidth restrictions. These "creators", who are actually a very tiny portion of users, pay zero overheads to have a worldwide broadcasting platform where they're unrestricted to promote third-party products and monetise their content in countless ways. If people are going to complain about Youtube, then surely you've got to go after other social networks first who aren't sharing revenue with users who are bringing engagement to their platform (Reddit, Instagram, Snapchat, etc).
- Joe-Z 9y ago
  The issue is not whether people can make money off of YT or not, but if they have an equal chance to do so. As GP mentioned there have been blatant inequalities regarding which rules are applied to whom in 2017 (for example the popular channel 'h3h3productions' now barely publishes any videos anymore).
  - Tehnix 9y ago
    Exactly! I can't remember if h3h3productions also takes Patreon, but either that or moving over to Twitch seems the common response from the people hit the hardest (while h3h3 don't upload many videos, they are quite active with their podcast!).
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  - dingaling 9y ago
    Perhaps YouTube should 'demonitize' all content creators and just take the ad dollars for themselves. I think I'd prefer that as it might skew YouTube back to its origins of "here's a cool video I want to share" instead of the current trend of "here's a video I made for the purpose of making money" After all it is YouTube and not ChannelTube.
- alexryan 9y ago
  People are scared. A few companies have the power to censor and promote what we see and do not see. This is a tremendous power and we all want the companies entrusted with this power to do so morally and consistently. Pointing out that other social networks are behaving badly as well does not address the fear that people feel. One gets the sense that many people working at places like YouTube really are living in a bubble and are totally oblivious to the intensity of the fear that people feel about their power to censor and promote. I sincerely hope that this changes. It would be horrible for everyone if government had to step in to regulate this medium.
- ghostcluster 9y ago
  YouTube has competition now. Twitch, owned by Amazon, splits advertising revenue with their content creators, as well as direct audience contributions through paid channel subscriptions. I believe Facebook also offers monetization for video, along with paying certain publishers/influencers directly to use their livestreaming tech.

by Tehnix 9y ago

aphextron 9y ago

We are seeing the rediscovery of the network monopoly business model in these online giants like YouTube, only without the former safeguards of production contracts that television and film have developed. It's no different than the "uberization" of the rest of our economy over the past 10 years. All of the marginal costs and inefficiencies involved with running a business have been externalized to the employees and customers of that business because there is no other option for them. Those in control of the distribution will always have final say. Only now they have the power to make arbitrary rulings with zero means of recourse by those affected, short of mass organization.

l33tbro 9y ago

Downvote me to coach, but I've never understood why people assert that Youtube owes their users advertising dollars, where other social media platforms are exempt. Youtube has for years run at a loss, providing free high-quality video streaming with no bandwidth restrictions. These "creators", who are actually a very tiny portion of users, pay zero overheads to have a worldwide broadcasting platform where they're unrestricted to promote third-party products and monetise their content in countless ways. If people are going to complain about Youtube, then surely you've got to go after other social networks first who aren't sharing revenue with users who are bringing engagement to their platform (Reddit, Instagram, Snapchat, etc).

Joe-Z 9y ago
The issue is not whether people can make money off of YT or not, but if they have an equal chance to do so. As GP mentioned there have been blatant inequalities regarding which rules are applied to whom in 2017 (for example the popular channel 'h3h3productions' now barely publishes any videos anymore).
- Tehnix 9y ago
  Exactly! I can't remember if h3h3productions also takes Patreon, but either that or moving over to Twitch seems the common response from the people hit the hardest (while h3h3 don't upload many videos, they are quite active with their podcast!).
- deleted 9y ago
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- dingaling 9y ago
  Perhaps YouTube should 'demonitize' all content creators and just take the ad dollars for themselves. I think I'd prefer that as it might skew YouTube back to its origins of "here's a cool video I want to share" instead of the current trend of "here's a video I made for the purpose of making money" After all it is YouTube and not ChannelTube.
alexryan 9y ago
People are scared. A few companies have the power to censor and promote what we see and do not see. This is a tremendous power and we all want the companies entrusted with this power to do so morally and consistently. Pointing out that other social networks are behaving badly as well does not address the fear that people feel. One gets the sense that many people working at places like YouTube really are living in a bubble and are totally oblivious to the intensity of the fear that people feel about their power to censor and promote. I sincerely hope that this changes. It would be horrible for everyone if government had to step in to regulate this medium.
ghostcluster 9y ago
YouTube has competition now. Twitch, owned by Amazon, splits advertising revenue with their content creators, as well as direct audience contributions through paid channel subscriptions. I believe Facebook also offers monetization for video, along with paying certain publishers/influencers directly to use their livestreaming tech.