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Bitcoin/Monero/Zcash are already incredibly useful by making things like Wikileaks possible, which was previously shut out of the world financial system from US

Bitcoin/Monero/Zcash are already incredibly useful by making things like Wikileaks possible, which was previously shut out of the world financial system from US Govt pressure. This contribution to international politics alone has changed the world.

paulie_a 9y ago
Does anyone see WikiLeaks as a good thing anymore? The concept is interesting but WikiLeaks is beyond worthless and Julian is just an attention seeking whore, being played by global superpowers
- cortic 9y ago
  i'd expect that kind of stupidity from reddit, but here? Has mainstream media truly got such a hold over everyone? that they can destroy the reputation of a service (and a political refugee) while doing absolutely everything they accuse the service of doing, except blatantly and malevolently? Starting to wonder whether the west deserves a service like Wikileaks; maybe we should be condemned back into the days where whistle blowers were quietly dealt with and the population could live in dumb ignorance.
  - lurr 9y ago
    > i'd expect that kind of stupidity from reddit, but here and the very next sentence > Has mainstream media truly got such a hold over everyone
    - ghostcluster 9y ago
      Even mainstream media admitted its sins the day after the 2016 election. This is from the political director of CBS News: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugn... Unfortunately, it's only seemed to have gotten even worse over the past year, even after such a mea culpa.
      - lurr 9y ago
        Whereas fox remains as steadfastly committed to propaganda as ever. CBS should fire that guy.
        jstanley 9y ago
        Fox is mainstream media as well
  - aaron-lebo 9y ago
    You aren't being very objective about Assange. He played bait and switch throughout the election cycle acting like he had some kind of big reveal that he never revealed and he picked sides with Trump. He's got an agenda. It's not wrong to have an agenda, but he's manipulative.
    - cortic 9y ago
      no where near as manipulative as the rag you read that in, and he is in a much more precarious position as those reporters are.
      - aaron-lebo 9y ago
        I don't have an particular allegiance to "that rag". If you don't want to present the full picture, that's your issue, but you obviously have a dog in race. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-sec... Yes, it's a "rag", the facts are still there.
        cortic 9y ago
        a hack job. how it that not obvious? and the dog i have in this race is the future of my country.
      - freehunter 9y ago
        >no where near as manipulative as the rag you read that in Oh come on. I'd expect that kind of talk from reddit, but here?
    - paulie_a 9y ago
      He is the political equivalent of the Kardashians
  - ribosometronome 9y ago
    >that they can destroy the reputation of a service (and a political refugee) while doing absolutely everything they accuse the service of doing, except blatantly and malevolently? Can you show me where the NYTimes told Chelsea Clinton her mom should claim the election was rigged and refuse to concede? Wikileaks destroyed it's own reputation with irresponsible releases with unredacted names, clearly timed releases to act as damage control for specific candidates, and generally just being unprofessional as hell.
    - cortic 9y ago
      They are the only place a whistle-blower can go, without being hung out to dry; Your main complaint about them is that they sometimes, supposedly act like the rest of our media...
      - ribosometronome 9y ago
        I don't know how you can make that claim with a straight face. Wikileaks has played a ridiculous coy Was-he-or-wasn't-he game with regard to Seth Rich to the detriment of his family and national discourse. Meanwhile, whistle blowers have gone to major media organizations again and again without being hung out to dry. The Washington Post didn't hang out Deep Throat to die - his identity got revealed by a family lawyer 3 decades later. Süddeutsche Zeitung didn't out the Panama Papers leaker. Most of 2017 has been spent with major stories covering the airwaves based on whistle blowers from within the White House. Edward Snowden's name got revealed at his own request. Let's not be disingenuous and act like there aren't responsible organizations and journalists dedicating their lives to aiding whistleblowers and publishing the news in a responsible manner.
        cortic 9y ago
        "and publishing the news in a responsible manner." \s ?
    - malvosenior 9y ago
      Just because “your side” suffered when exposed doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t see massive value in learning the truth whenever and however we can.
- HatchedLake721 9y ago
  Beyond worthless? That’s a spat in the face to all whistleblowers, journalists and lawyers who WikiLeaks worked together with to reveal dirty state and corporation secrets. Did everyone forget Afghan and Iraq war documents already? Cable leaks? Journalists who were risking their lives? WikiLeaks to this day hasn’t released a single inauthentic leak.
  - ribosometronome 9y ago
    >Did everyone forget Afghan and Iraq war documents already? Cable leaks? Journalists who were risking their lives? Have you? Wikileaks is irresponsible as hell. Their leaks were unredacted and put the lives of informants at risk as well as exposing the names of people who have been victims of sex crimes and persecuted by corrupt governments. People like Glenn Greenwald and the journalists working on the Panama Papers illustrate really well how irresponsible and biased Wikileaks is.
  - lurr 9y ago
    They decided to become a political organization and obliterated their credibility. If they release something is it real... probably. Is it free from spin? probably not. Are they releasing things in a fair and even fashion (i.e. everything gets released unless there is a damn good reason not to, like people could end up dead)? I doubt it now.
    - krapp 9y ago
      Where is the evidence that Wikileaks was ever acting as a fair, impartial or apolitical entity?
      - imron 9y ago
        It seems some people view apolitical as leaking things damaging to people they don't like, and political when leaking damaging things against people they do.
- flunhat 9y ago
  You're getting downvoted, but this piece from the Atlantic really made me deeply suspicious of Wikileaks' motivations. A chilling quotation from the article: >“Hi Don. Sorry to hear about your problems,” WikiLeaks wrote. “We have an idea that may help a little. We are VERY interested in confidentially obtaining and publishing a copy of the email(s) cited in the New York Times today,” citing a reference in the paper to emails Trump Jr had exchanged with Rob Goldstone, a publicist who had helped set up the meeting. “We think this is strongly in your interest,” WikiLeaks went on. It then reprised many of the same arguments it made in trying to convince Trump Jr. to turn over his father’s tax returns, including the argument that Trump’s enemies in the press were using the emails to spin an unfavorable narrative of the meeting. “Us publishing not only deprives them of this ability but is beautifully confounding.” A site that engages in leaking evidence of our government's wrongdoing is necessary. But it seems that they're starting to take a far more politically biased role and that the Wikileaks of the past is no more. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-sec...
  - sebleon 9y ago
    Yes, Wikileaks has a spin (it’s run by people after all), but they’ve only posted factual documents. To give public full picture, we need more Wikileaks-copycats with a different spin.

paulie_a 9y ago

Does anyone see WikiLeaks as a good thing anymore? The concept is interesting but WikiLeaks is beyond worthless and Julian is just an attention seeking whore, being played by global superpowers

cortic 9y ago
i'd expect that kind of stupidity from reddit, but here? Has mainstream media truly got such a hold over everyone? that they can destroy the reputation of a service (and a political refugee) while doing absolutely everything they accuse the service of doing, except blatantly and malevolently? Starting to wonder whether the west deserves a service like Wikileaks; maybe we should be condemned back into the days where whistle blowers were quietly dealt with and the population could live in dumb ignorance.
- lurr 9y ago
  > i'd expect that kind of stupidity from reddit, but here and the very next sentence > Has mainstream media truly got such a hold over everyone
  - ghostcluster 9y ago
    Even mainstream media admitted its sins the day after the 2016 election. This is from the political director of CBS News: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugn... Unfortunately, it's only seemed to have gotten even worse over the past year, even after such a mea culpa.
    - lurr 9y ago
      Whereas fox remains as steadfastly committed to propaganda as ever. CBS should fire that guy.
      - jstanley 9y ago
        Fox is mainstream media as well
- aaron-lebo 9y ago
  You aren't being very objective about Assange. He played bait and switch throughout the election cycle acting like he had some kind of big reveal that he never revealed and he picked sides with Trump. He's got an agenda. It's not wrong to have an agenda, but he's manipulative.
  - cortic 9y ago
    no where near as manipulative as the rag you read that in, and he is in a much more precarious position as those reporters are.
    - aaron-lebo 9y ago
      I don't have an particular allegiance to "that rag". If you don't want to present the full picture, that's your issue, but you obviously have a dog in race. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-sec... Yes, it's a "rag", the facts are still there.
      - cortic 9y ago
        a hack job. how it that not obvious? and the dog i have in this race is the future of my country.
    - freehunter 9y ago
      >no where near as manipulative as the rag you read that in Oh come on. I'd expect that kind of talk from reddit, but here?
  - paulie_a 9y ago
    He is the political equivalent of the Kardashians
- ribosometronome 9y ago
  >that they can destroy the reputation of a service (and a political refugee) while doing absolutely everything they accuse the service of doing, except blatantly and malevolently? Can you show me where the NYTimes told Chelsea Clinton her mom should claim the election was rigged and refuse to concede? Wikileaks destroyed it's own reputation with irresponsible releases with unredacted names, clearly timed releases to act as damage control for specific candidates, and generally just being unprofessional as hell.
  - cortic 9y ago
    They are the only place a whistle-blower can go, without being hung out to dry; Your main complaint about them is that they sometimes, supposedly act like the rest of our media...
    - ribosometronome 9y ago
      I don't know how you can make that claim with a straight face. Wikileaks has played a ridiculous coy Was-he-or-wasn't-he game with regard to Seth Rich to the detriment of his family and national discourse. Meanwhile, whistle blowers have gone to major media organizations again and again without being hung out to dry. The Washington Post didn't hang out Deep Throat to die - his identity got revealed by a family lawyer 3 decades later. Süddeutsche Zeitung didn't out the Panama Papers leaker. Most of 2017 has been spent with major stories covering the airwaves based on whistle blowers from within the White House. Edward Snowden's name got revealed at his own request. Let's not be disingenuous and act like there aren't responsible organizations and journalists dedicating their lives to aiding whistleblowers and publishing the news in a responsible manner.
      - cortic 9y ago
        "and publishing the news in a responsible manner." \s ?
  - malvosenior 9y ago
    Just because “your side” suffered when exposed doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t see massive value in learning the truth whenever and however we can.
HatchedLake721 9y ago
Beyond worthless? That’s a spat in the face to all whistleblowers, journalists and lawyers who WikiLeaks worked together with to reveal dirty state and corporation secrets. Did everyone forget Afghan and Iraq war documents already? Cable leaks? Journalists who were risking their lives? WikiLeaks to this day hasn’t released a single inauthentic leak.
- ribosometronome 9y ago
  >Did everyone forget Afghan and Iraq war documents already? Cable leaks? Journalists who were risking their lives? Have you? Wikileaks is irresponsible as hell. Their leaks were unredacted and put the lives of informants at risk as well as exposing the names of people who have been victims of sex crimes and persecuted by corrupt governments. People like Glenn Greenwald and the journalists working on the Panama Papers illustrate really well how irresponsible and biased Wikileaks is.
- lurr 9y ago
  They decided to become a political organization and obliterated their credibility. If they release something is it real... probably. Is it free from spin? probably not. Are they releasing things in a fair and even fashion (i.e. everything gets released unless there is a damn good reason not to, like people could end up dead)? I doubt it now.
  - krapp 9y ago
    Where is the evidence that Wikileaks was ever acting as a fair, impartial or apolitical entity?
    - imron 9y ago
      It seems some people view apolitical as leaking things damaging to people they don't like, and political when leaking damaging things against people they do.
flunhat 9y ago
You're getting downvoted, but this piece from the Atlantic really made me deeply suspicious of Wikileaks' motivations. A chilling quotation from the article: >“Hi Don. Sorry to hear about your problems,” WikiLeaks wrote. “We have an idea that may help a little. We are VERY interested in confidentially obtaining and publishing a copy of the email(s) cited in the New York Times today,” citing a reference in the paper to emails Trump Jr had exchanged with Rob Goldstone, a publicist who had helped set up the meeting. “We think this is strongly in your interest,” WikiLeaks went on. It then reprised many of the same arguments it made in trying to convince Trump Jr. to turn over his father’s tax returns, including the argument that Trump’s enemies in the press were using the emails to spin an unfavorable narrative of the meeting. “Us publishing not only deprives them of this ability but is beautifully confounding.” A site that engages in leaking evidence of our government's wrongdoing is necessary. But it seems that they're starting to take a far more politically biased role and that the Wikileaks of the past is no more. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-sec...
- sebleon 9y ago
  Yes, Wikileaks has a spin (it’s run by people after all), but they’ve only posted factual documents. To give public full picture, we need more Wikileaks-copycats with a different spin.