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Snow leopard wasn’t all that till it got a few updates either

nolok 9y ago
Didn't use OSX back then, but I think there is a good distance between "not all that" and the security fiasco going on with High Sierra.
- whhwer823 9y ago
  Security fiascos that most of the time, required one have physical access to the machine in many cases (discounting the recent discovery of Intel bugs). In which case you're screwed anyway. Remember Windows track record as a Swiss cheese POS? They took the complaints, did work to better monitor for issues, now it's a privacy invasion! And how you could basically crack a Mac too, but no one noticed because they weren't as ubiquitous? Selective memory is thing in IT communities. Forgetting that forehead smacking security issues have always been here. Put a Windows XP box online pre-sp1 and instantly get hit with RPC attacks. 'Net security only became a concern for companies in the last decade. And they're still terrible. There are still boxes of disks and tapes being stolen, along with Intel-like bugs we'll never find. But yeah, I'm sure soon we'll figure these all out. Any day now. Just accept it's lowest common denominator engineering and chill.
- IBM 9y ago
  What about having it wipe all your user data? https://www.computerworld.com/article/2528936/mac-os-x/snow-leopard-bug-deletes-all-user-data.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2528936/mac-os-x/snow-...
  - nolok 9y ago
    On one hand you have massive data loss, a big issue for sure but something well understood, well known, that you can and should be prepared against in any case; you're never protected against: your computer being run over, or your house being on fire, or your HD suddenly dying. If I lose files by lack of backup, I can be angry at myself for not having done proper backups, whatever the source of the deletion, this is something I can remedy. On the other you have giving access to your data to people who shouldn't have access, be it making them root, giving your encryption password in the hint field, ... You're not prepared against that, you have no mitigation and no remedy other than picking the right tool; either the tool you're using is secure or it is not. Better everything gets deleted than someone not meant to have access getting it. And better something happens that I could insure myself against, than something against which I cannot do anything to protect myself.
real_estate 9y ago
It was all downhill after 10.6.8.

Didn't use OSX back then, but I think there is a good distance between "not all that" and the security fiasco going on with High Sierra.

whhwer823 9y ago
Security fiascos that most of the time, required one have physical access to the machine in many cases (discounting the recent discovery of Intel bugs). In which case you're screwed anyway. Remember Windows track record as a Swiss cheese POS? They took the complaints, did work to better monitor for issues, now it's a privacy invasion! And how you could basically crack a Mac too, but no one noticed because they weren't as ubiquitous? Selective memory is thing in IT communities. Forgetting that forehead smacking security issues have always been here. Put a Windows XP box online pre-sp1 and instantly get hit with RPC attacks. 'Net security only became a concern for companies in the last decade. And they're still terrible. There are still boxes of disks and tapes being stolen, along with Intel-like bugs we'll never find. But yeah, I'm sure soon we'll figure these all out. Any day now. Just accept it's lowest common denominator engineering and chill.
IBM 9y ago
What about having it wipe all your user data? https://www.computerworld.com/article/2528936/mac-os-x/snow-leopard-bug-deletes-all-user-data.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2528936/mac-os-x/snow-...
- nolok 9y ago
  On one hand you have massive data loss, a big issue for sure but something well understood, well known, that you can and should be prepared against in any case; you're never protected against: your computer being run over, or your house being on fire, or your HD suddenly dying. If I lose files by lack of backup, I can be angry at myself for not having done proper backups, whatever the source of the deletion, this is something I can remedy. On the other you have giving access to your data to people who shouldn't have access, be it making them root, giving your encryption password in the hint field, ... You're not prepared against that, you have no mitigation and no remedy other than picking the right tool; either the tool you're using is secure or it is not. Better everything gets deleted than someone not meant to have access getting it. And better something happens that I could insure myself against, than something against which I cannot do anything to protect myself.

real_estate 9y ago

It was all downhill after 10.6.8.