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I have a feeling this isn't actually that High Sierra is that much worse, but more that people are now actively pen-testing macOS to find the next embarrassing

by atonse 9y ago

I have a feeling this isn't actually that High Sierra is that much worse, but more that people are now actively pen-testing macOS to find the next embarrassing bug. And that scares me even more because of the unknown of how long such bugs must've existed in the system. Is this Apple's Windows XP moment? (Like when MS stopped everything and did massive security training that resulted in XP SP 2 being worlds more secure?)

CGamesPlay 9y ago
Well, the root account password bug and this bug both do not reproduce on Sierra, so they were both introduced in High Sierra. Unless you’re arguing that Apple fixed a bunch of undisclosed vulnerabilities when they introduced these, High Sierra is definitely worse.
gregoriol 9y ago
Most of the recently discussed High Sierra bugs were not there on Sierra, while the features were there, like this one. So it's not that much pen tensting, but Apple making changes and not validating them correctly. Maybe they have their Vista moment with High Sierra, maybe we forgot previous buggy versions.
- xattt 9y ago
  Could this be the result of shifting quality assurance to the general public through public betas?
  - gurkendoktor 9y ago
    For security-related bugs, maybe. When I file bugs with Apple (which I've mostly given up on), they are usually marked as a duplicate of another still-open bug. So it seems that people actually file bugs -- free QA works! -- but there's not enough time to fix them.
rcthompson 9y ago
High Sierra and Sierra both have enough disruptive bugs in them that I had to downgrade my 2012 Macbook Pro to El Capitan, which did not have those bugs. The most notable one for me was the massive regression in video drivers, that not only made many previously smooth-running games unplayable, but also caused several of the ordinary desktop apps I used to become unacceptably slow.
- verisimilitude 9y ago
  For me they broke automount (/etc/auto_master). It just... randomly takes root ownership of my smb shares. So I can't get to them. Then it randomly gives me ownership back. Crazy-making. Writing a Cocoa app right now to watch for kCFURLVolumeIsAutomountedKey errors and fix this bug myself.

by atonse 9y ago

CGamesPlay 9y ago

Well, the root account password bug and this bug both do not reproduce on Sierra, so they were both introduced in High Sierra. Unless you’re arguing that Apple fixed a bunch of undisclosed vulnerabilities when they introduced these, High Sierra is definitely worse.

gregoriol 9y ago

Most of the recently discussed High Sierra bugs were not there on Sierra, while the features were there, like this one. So it's not that much pen tensting, but Apple making changes and not validating them correctly. Maybe they have their Vista moment with High Sierra, maybe we forgot previous buggy versions.

xattt 9y ago
Could this be the result of shifting quality assurance to the general public through public betas?
- gurkendoktor 9y ago
  For security-related bugs, maybe. When I file bugs with Apple (which I've mostly given up on), they are usually marked as a duplicate of another still-open bug. So it seems that people actually file bugs -- free QA works! -- but there's not enough time to fix them.

rcthompson 9y ago

High Sierra and Sierra both have enough disruptive bugs in them that I had to downgrade my 2012 Macbook Pro to El Capitan, which did not have those bugs. The most notable one for me was the massive regression in video drivers, that not only made many previously smooth-running games unplayable, but also caused several of the ordinary desktop apps I used to become unacceptably slow.

verisimilitude 9y ago
For me they broke automount (/etc/auto_master). It just... randomly takes root ownership of my smb shares. So I can't get to them. Then it randomly gives me ownership back. Crazy-making. Writing a Cocoa app right now to watch for kCFURLVolumeIsAutomountedKey errors and fix this bug myself.