> We can make software engineering more people-oriented with pair programming and more collaboration This is different than my point. I'm saying that software

> We can make software engineering more people-oriented with pair programming and more collaboration This is different than my point. I'm saying that software engineering IS people-oriented as it exists and that it's simply undervalued. > Unfortunately, there may be limits to how people-oriented certain roles at Google can be What roles at Google shouldn't be people-oriented? This just strikes me as an absurd thing to say.