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I am not voluntarily subjecting myself to EU laws. If I wanted to do this I would establish a legal presence in the EU. I want nothing to do with the EU.

bjl 9y ago
Then don't do business with EU citizens/residents.
- danieltillett 9y ago
  And how exactly am I supposed to determine if someone is a EU citizen or not?
  - calcifer 9y ago
    ... ask them? Many businesses ask for one or more of address/official ID/credit card info.
    - danieltillett 9y ago
      so I have to ask for data that I don’t collect from anyone to allow some European to be able to ask me to remove it. Only someone in the EU could come up with something as stupid as this. Anyway it is not the data collection, or even removing data that I don’t even collect that I am concerned about, but the the EU applying its laws on me even though I am not in the EU and have no connection with the EU beyond visiting the place a few times.
cinquemb 9y ago
I am also of the same mind. I had a project with a friend where we collected data that would fall under this. We were once told that we had to comply with some "order" from CNIL to stop collection, which we just laughed and ignored. It's a joke that the same government will go ahead and collect info for "protect the public from terrorists" purposes, yet try to constrain a company outside of their jurisdiction from collecting simmilar information with no real mechanism of enforcement. People really think these technologies are just going to crawl in a ditch somewhere because some eurocrats (and those who've accepted the bread and circus they provide to the public) want to put pen to paper and act as if these are laws of phyisics... next we'll hear madates that all companies around the world must offer affordable privacy in a can™ for the EU chattel. The more deep packet inspection/filtering of non complient sites, the more resilient the web will become, so I look forward to the continued escalation.

bjl 9y ago

Then don't do business with EU citizens/residents.

danieltillett 9y ago
And how exactly am I supposed to determine if someone is a EU citizen or not?
- calcifer 9y ago
  ... ask them? Many businesses ask for one or more of address/official ID/credit card info.
  - danieltillett 9y ago
    so I have to ask for data that I don’t collect from anyone to allow some European to be able to ask me to remove it. Only someone in the EU could come up with something as stupid as this. Anyway it is not the data collection, or even removing data that I don’t even collect that I am concerned about, but the the EU applying its laws on me even though I am not in the EU and have no connection with the EU beyond visiting the place a few times.

cinquemb 9y ago

I am also of the same mind. I had a project with a friend where we collected data that would fall under this. We were once told that we had to comply with some "order" from CNIL to stop collection, which we just laughed and ignored. It's a joke that the same government will go ahead and collect info for "protect the public from terrorists" purposes, yet try to constrain a company outside of their jurisdiction from collecting simmilar information with no real mechanism of enforcement. People really think these technologies are just going to crawl in a ditch somewhere because some eurocrats (and those who've accepted the bread and circus they provide to the public) want to put pen to paper and act as if these are laws of phyisics... next we'll hear madates that all companies around the world must offer affordable privacy in a can™ for the EU chattel. The more deep packet inspection/filtering of non complient sites, the more resilient the web will become, so I look forward to the continued escalation.