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The EU has jurisdiction over EU citizens and business you do with them. Don't want GDPR to apply to you? Don't do business with people living in the EU. Simple
by sgift 9y ago
The EU has jurisdiction over EU citizens and business you do with them. Don't want GDPR to apply to you? Don't do business with people living in the EU. Simple as that.
- danieltillett 9y agoApart from the practical problem of I have no way of knowing if someone who I do business with is covered by this law, why do I have to follow it? Do you think it is fine for countries to apply their laws as they want on people outside of their country? What would happen if Fiji (just picking a random country here) applied a 10% income tax on all citizens of the EU. Would you think this was reasonable?
- sgift 9y agoFalse equivalency. 'Income tax to all citizens of the EU that want to do business in Fiji' is the equivalent. And then it is the same thing: Do you want to do business in Fiji? Then you have to follow their laws.
- danieltillett 9y agoSo what if Fiji just imposed the tax on EU citizens that happened to visit a website hosted in Fiji? Would that make it OK?
- TeMPOraL 9y agoIt's the issue of data ownership. You seem to believe the data about your users, including those from the EU, belongs to you. The EU believes otherwise - and from that point of view, it's you who voluntarily subjects himself to EU laws by virtue of taking EU citizens' data.
- danieltillett 9y agoI am not voluntarily subjecting myself to EU laws. If I wanted to do this I would establish a legal presence in the EU. I want nothing to do with the EU.
- bjl 9y agoThen don't do business with EU citizens/residents.
- danieltillett 9y agoAnd how exactly am I supposed to determine if someone is a EU citizen or not?
- calcifer 9y ago... ask them? Many businesses ask for one or more of address/official ID/credit card info.
- danieltillett 9y agoso I have to ask for data that I don’t collect from anyone to allow some European to be able to ask me to remove it. Only someone in the EU could come up with something as stupid as this. Anyway it is not the data collection, or even removing data that I don’t even collect that I am concerned about, but the the EU applying its laws on me even though I am not in the EU and have no connection with the EU beyond visiting the place a few times.
- cinquemb 9y agoI am also of the same mind. I had a project with a friend where we collected data that would fall under this. We were once told that we had to comply with some "order" from CNIL to stop collection, which we just laughed and ignored. It's a joke that the same government will go ahead and collect info for "protect the public from terrorists" purposes, yet try to constrain a company outside of their jurisdiction from collecting simmilar information with no real mechanism of enforcement. People really think these technologies are just going to crawl in a ditch somewhere because some eurocrats (and those who've accepted the bread and circus they provide to the public) want to put pen to paper and act as if these are laws of phyisics... next we'll hear madates that all companies around the world must offer affordable privacy in a can™ for the EU chattel. The more deep packet inspection/filtering of non complient sites, the more resilient the web will become, so I look forward to the continued escalation.