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You are confusing anti-septic with antibiotic. Cleaning things _before_ you operate is relativly easy. Iodine/bleach/listerene/arsenic/ozone will all kill bact

You are confusing anti-septic with antibiotic. Cleaning things _before_ you operate is relativly easy. Iodine/bleach/listerene/arsenic/ozone will all kill bacteria on surfaces. Why antibiotics are great is that they can be taken orally and they kill bacteria _inside_, but not your body. UV/blue light is indescriminate, you can swallow a blue light pill and expect it to descriminate between your body and non-local bacteria

tremon 9y ago
Why antibiotics are great is that they can be taken orally and they kill bacteria _inside_, but not your body. FCVO "your body". Antibiotics definitely do kill gut bacteria, which many consider to be part of our bodies.
- KaiserPro 9y ago
  yes, it does, which is a side effect, however unlike anti septic it doesn't total the intestine wall, and anything else behind it. For example Arsenic is a brilliant antibiotic, its just it kills you _and_ the infection. what we call antibiotics are far more diserning.
  - thfuran 9y ago
    Which really is a shame. I think the terminology ought to be the other way around.
manmal 9y ago
I'm not talking about UV light, see my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16113533 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16113533
- KaiserPro 9y ago
  Which isn't the point I'm making. Topical treatments for a few genus of bacteria are _not_ a viable alternative
  - manmal 9y ago
    If you can kill many (not only some - don't know where you get that info?) bacteria, fungi etc. during an operation, while they are on their way to infect a wound, how is this not viable? I think we are misunderstanding each other. Here is another article where infected burn wounds were "disinfected" with blue light: https://newatlas.com/blue-light-kills-bacteria/26026/ https://newatlas.com/blue-light-kills-bacteria/26026/ "In a proof-of-concept study, led by Dr. Michael R. Hamblin of Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, an array of blue LEDs was used to treat infected burns on lab mice. More specifically, the blue light was used to selectively eradicate potentially-lethal Pseudomonas aeruginosa bacteria in the animals’ skin and soft tissues. The results of the study were promising. All of the light-treated mice survived, while 82 percent of the untreated control group died. Additionally, unlike bacteria-killing ultraviolet light, the blue light wasn’t harmful to the animals’ own cells."
    - Para2016 9y ago
      So you're saying just have blue lights on in the OR for added protection? Because surgeons are still going to use sterile technique, chlorhexdine, and Ancef prophylaxis. If blue light helps in a couple trials, they'll add the blue light. Maybe it'll kill those few extra aerosolized bacteria or something
      - manmal 9y ago
        Exactly, that's what my original comment said. Use it on the wound area before sewing the wound up. Or why not during the whole process.
    - KaiserPro 9y ago
      You are missing the point, this is a _topical_ treatment. Also, it appears to require a long, large exposure. Similally it can be equally as effective to use listerene to wash the wound. Yes it is promising, but its not a golden bullet and will not replace antibiotics. > not only some - don't know where you get that info? I got it from the paper you linked: Leuconostoc mesenteroides (LM), Bacillus atrophaeus (BA) or Pseudomonas aeruginosa (PA)

tremon 9y ago

Why antibiotics are great is that they can be taken orally and they kill bacteria _inside_, but not your body. FCVO "your body". Antibiotics definitely do kill gut bacteria, which many consider to be part of our bodies.

KaiserPro 9y ago
yes, it does, which is a side effect, however unlike anti septic it doesn't total the intestine wall, and anything else behind it. For example Arsenic is a brilliant antibiotic, its just it kills you _and_ the infection. what we call antibiotics are far more diserning.
- thfuran 9y ago
  Which really is a shame. I think the terminology ought to be the other way around.

manmal 9y ago

I'm not talking about UV light, see my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16113533 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16113533

KaiserPro 9y ago
Which isn't the point I'm making. Topical treatments for a few genus of bacteria are _not_ a viable alternative
- manmal 9y ago
  If you can kill many (not only some - don't know where you get that info?) bacteria, fungi etc. during an operation, while they are on their way to infect a wound, how is this not viable? I think we are misunderstanding each other. Here is another article where infected burn wounds were "disinfected" with blue light: https://newatlas.com/blue-light-kills-bacteria/26026/ https://newatlas.com/blue-light-kills-bacteria/26026/ "In a proof-of-concept study, led by Dr. Michael R. Hamblin of Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, an array of blue LEDs was used to treat infected burns on lab mice. More specifically, the blue light was used to selectively eradicate potentially-lethal Pseudomonas aeruginosa bacteria in the animals’ skin and soft tissues. The results of the study were promising. All of the light-treated mice survived, while 82 percent of the untreated control group died. Additionally, unlike bacteria-killing ultraviolet light, the blue light wasn’t harmful to the animals’ own cells."
  - Para2016 9y ago
    So you're saying just have blue lights on in the OR for added protection? Because surgeons are still going to use sterile technique, chlorhexdine, and Ancef prophylaxis. If blue light helps in a couple trials, they'll add the blue light. Maybe it'll kill those few extra aerosolized bacteria or something
    - manmal 9y ago
      Exactly, that's what my original comment said. Use it on the wound area before sewing the wound up. Or why not during the whole process.
  - KaiserPro 9y ago
    You are missing the point, this is a _topical_ treatment. Also, it appears to require a long, large exposure. Similally it can be equally as effective to use listerene to wash the wound. Yes it is promising, but its not a golden bullet and will not replace antibiotics. > not only some - don't know where you get that info? I got it from the paper you linked: Leuconostoc mesenteroides (LM), Bacillus atrophaeus (BA) or Pseudomonas aeruginosa (PA)