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> Negative stimulus reaction and pain are different things That seems like the distinction between reliably identifying the colour red, and the qualia of red.
by barrkel 9y ago
> Negative stimulus reaction and pain are different things
That seems like the distinction between reliably identifying the colour red, and the qualia of red. I don't know that they are different things in any way we can understand.
- Valmar 9y agoTo a colour-blind person who cannot perceive a difference between green and red, there is no distinction. There is no difference between identifying the colour "red" and the qualia of it, because we must directly know the latter to do the former. It cannot be described, understood nor appreciated without first having the direct experience.
- red75prime 9y agoNo. It is a distinction between a color-filtered photo-sensor attached to a contraption which raises flag "Red" and a mammal.
- barrkel 9y agoIs that a distinction with a difference? What I mean is: unless you have some privileged information about where consciousness and qualia come from, how can you tell whether or not measurement machinery perceive qualia? (I've thought about this for a long time myself, and I don't know where to draw the line, so I drew it differently: everything is "conscious"; i.e. panpsychism.)
- red75prime 9y agoWhen a system contains its own representation which describes the system as the intellectual agent pursuing some goals and feeling some feels. Otherwise all the agency and supposed consciousness comes from outside of the system (e.g. from out empathy) and is not an inherent part of the system.